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Offline Natsinpwc

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #925: January 07, 2021, 06:12:34 PM »
I am sure the Lerners' business earnings took a hit but no doubt like other billionaires they are heavily invested in the stock market and made a bundle that way this year.  Like other rich owners of MLB teams they will be crying about their finances this year.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-rich-got-richer-during-covid-19-heres-how-american-billionaires-performed/

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« Reply #926: January 07, 2021, 06:26:56 PM »
I am sure the Lerners' business earnings took a hit but no doubt like other billionaires they are heavily invested in the stock market and made a bundle that way this year.  Like other rich owners of MLB teams they will be crying about their finances this year.

I made a lot of money in the market these past 4 years and I have no doubt the Lerners did as well.

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« Reply #927: January 07, 2021, 06:29:48 PM »
I’m sure the the lerners made a ton of money in the market, the question is whether they made enough to offset losses at Lerner enterprises

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« Reply #928: January 07, 2021, 06:41:43 PM »
I’m sure the the lerners made a ton of money in the market, the question is whether they made enough to offset losses at Lerner enterprises
They have enough money that they can suffer losses for several years and still be filthy rich.  If they can't afford to run the team they can always sell it.   :hysterical:

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« Reply #929: January 07, 2021, 06:42:39 PM »
I made a lot of money in the market these past 4 years and I have no doubt the Lerners did as well.
You made lots of money the past TEN years.  As did the Lerners!!

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« Reply #930: January 07, 2021, 06:51:20 PM »
You made lots of money the past TEN years.  As did the Lerners!!

Let's leave politics out of this.  :mg:

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #931: January 07, 2021, 06:59:08 PM »
What would it take to get jose ramirez from the tribe? Cavalli, kieboom, lara, stevenson, de la rosa?

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #932: January 07, 2021, 07:08:53 PM »
Honestly,  it really doesnt matter how much money you spend. It would still be a struggle to be competitive in this division. At best, we have one more season on the pitching. At which point, you dont have replacements in the pipeline and it's unlikely to find an ace replacement in free agency next year, particularly with all the deferred money starting to kick in. And that's assuming you have a 2022 season.

Is it really justifiable to spend 100+ million on a guy that youre really only going to get one good year out of? Realmuto's 30. Springer is 32. Both rely on athleticism. What's going to be left after 2022? What's going be left in Trea Turner's last year? And when Juan Soto is costing you 18-25 million?

Just dont see them doing that after saying no to younger, better players two seasons in a row. I think they tell Rizzo to dumpster dive, and if the pitching stays healthy and we're a big bat away from being really competitive, they'll give him the green light to make a move.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #933: January 07, 2021, 07:11:51 PM »
What would it take to get jose ramirez from the tribe? Cavalli, kieboom, lara, stevenson, de la rosa?
Kieboom, Cavali (or Rutledge), Robles, and maybe another smaller piece.

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« Reply #934: January 07, 2021, 07:16:40 PM »
Kieboom, Cavali (or Rutledge), Robles, and maybe another smaller piece.

I'd do it

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« Reply #935: January 07, 2021, 07:20:35 PM »
It was a light return for lindor and carrasco.  Before you say "oh lindor only has one year of control left" you need to factor in that carrasco has THREE YEARS LEFT.  Three years of carrasco and one of lindor is with more than what the Indians got. 

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« Reply #936: January 07, 2021, 07:21:27 PM »
They seem super high on Cavalli, doubt that happens

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« Reply #937: January 07, 2021, 07:22:52 PM »
They seem super high on Cavalli, doubt that happens

Them go with a lara, henry, kieboom base package

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« Reply #938: January 07, 2021, 07:22:53 PM »
It was a light return for lindor and carrasco.  Before you say "oh lindor only has one year of control left" you need to factor in that carrasco has THREE YEARS LEFT.  Three years of carrasco and one of lindor is with more than what the Indians got. 


It's a buyer's market. Teams value prospects so much (perhaps rightfully so) that you can't get a decent return anymore.

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« Reply #939: January 07, 2021, 07:25:42 PM »
If we traded for ramirez and signed brantley we could rock a lineup of:

LF Brantley
SS Turner
RF Soto
3B Ramirez
1B Bell
2B Castro
CF Robles
C  Gomes

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #940: January 07, 2021, 07:44:00 PM »
It was a light return for lindor and carrasco.  Before you say "oh lindor only has one year of control left" you need to factor in that carrasco has THREE YEARS LEFT.  Three years of carrasco and one of lindor is with more than what the Indians got. 

Carrasco is expensive for what he is, which is an injury concern. It was an about even trade on BTV

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« Reply #941: January 07, 2021, 08:26:49 PM »
Carrasco is expensive for what he is, which is an injury concern. It was an about even trade on BTV
Yea. They got a starting second base and shortstop. Neither nearly as good as as Lindor but still decent cheap guys they can put out there. Wolf is a decent pitching prospect.

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« Reply #942: January 07, 2021, 08:27:52 PM »
I'd do it
Of course you would. You never met a trade you didn’t like.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #943: January 07, 2021, 08:35:36 PM »
If you do that trade, and you dont get at LEAST 30 starts from Strasburg, Scherzer, and Corbin, you're not gonna make the playoffs and your future is in the crapter.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #944: January 07, 2021, 09:34:23 PM »
it certainly has been a quiet January compared to 2020.  I assume we get Ozuna.

I feel like we still need 2 bats.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #945: January 07, 2021, 09:50:40 PM »
It may be lousy that the Mets pulled off this trade, but I don't think anyone trying to build the Nats into a 2021-22 contender thought the Nats would get either of this guys.  Now, unless you think the Mets are unbeatable (like the NYY were in the AL East going into last year :mg: ), your key acquisitions are still the same: for about $40MM, you can get a couple of minor complementary players (Zimm and a backup catcher), a major bullpen arm (preferably Hand, but there might be others), deal for a below Lindor-level bat (say, Suarez) giving up a young cost controlled guy with upside and near MLB (Garcia? Kieboom?) and any pitching prospect not named Rutledge or Cavalli (or Lara if you can), and then have enough money for a $15MM bat.  That  leaves you  short on a rotation piece, I think, but you only need something at the Hellickson level or a touch better.  Maybe you can't get all of that, but it is not white flag time.  Time to deal a Turner is if we spend for this and we have negative luck.

EDIT - Brantley's estimated next contract AAV on FG is $15MM.  He's probably well within any reasonable budget.  You still have some decisions, but even with the current on boards plus a cheap RZ, you would have a top 5 of Turner, Brantley, Castro, Soto, Bell/ RZ.  You can go to war with that, even if you don't pick up another major bat beyond Brantley.

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« Reply #946: January 08, 2021, 07:24:52 AM »
With the Mets undoubtedly trying to extend Lindor, it would seem there is less chance of them signing Springer.  The other team in on him seems to be the Blue Jays who have allegedly offered 5 years $115 million. Supposedly the Mets were offering 5 years $150 million.  I wonder if Rizzo will now get involved for Springer if the Mets offer is off the table.  Seems less risk than signing a catcher long term no matter how good he is.  5 years $125 million would not be a bad deal. 

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« Reply #947: January 08, 2021, 11:14:51 AM »
I wonder if the Mets signing Lindor makes it more likely we lock up Turner.  Offensively, Zuck notes today, they are almost identical players.

https://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2021/01/time-for-turner-to-get-his-due-and-his-dollars.html

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« Reply #948: January 08, 2021, 05:45:39 PM »
With Steve Cohen, I get the feeling $$$ are never gonna be a factor in signing players. Certainly not in these first years of ownership. He's a mega-rich owner who loves the franchise; the Lerner's are also rich, but I never saw anywhere near the same passion.

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« Reply #949: January 08, 2021, 05:48:51 PM »
every MLB owner is rich AF and could spend to the luxury tax easy. cohen is the same as ted and mark and the steinbrenners and whoever else owns teams. guy is gonna swing his dick around because he knows teams like cleveland are tanking intentionally and there's a great chance to get some bargains on trades to get legit players