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Re: Carter Kieboom 2020
« Reply #100: September 08, 2020, 11:28:20 AM »
The .351 OBP is nice, and  the defense looks good.  But the .000 ISO and the sub . 200 BA are headscratchers.  The 27 K% is most concerning.
Kieboom's 27% K rate is Robles-level.

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« Reply #101: September 08, 2020, 11:32:38 AM »
Kieboom's 27% K rate is Robles-level.
Espi. 

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« Reply #102: September 08, 2020, 11:33:40 AM »
Lately, Mets lineup is an offensive juggernaut. Conforto and Dom Smith look like young stars who will be producing at a high level for a long time.
They have a nice young controllable lineup. If Syndegaard returns next year they will be good.

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« Reply #103: September 08, 2020, 11:34:43 AM »
Kieboom's 27% K rate is Robles-level.

I'm not sure which direction you're expecting that point to cut.  A 27% K rate and no power is pretty worrisome for both of them, if anything more so for Robles. 

Espi.

Was still a useful player most years of his career (when he kept his average to anything starting with a 2) because he had power and good defense.  High strikeouts and no power is not a great combo even with strong defense, as Espinosa's career arc shows. 

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« Reply #104: September 08, 2020, 01:33:11 PM »
I don't see why everyone is in a rush to dump him.

Y'all are spoiled. It's really not normal for guys tome come up to the bigs at age 23 and just rake. It usually takes some time. And this season is a football bat.

I don't see a reason to make any move at third base until about 60 games into the 2021 season.

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« Reply #105: September 08, 2020, 01:45:37 PM »
I don't see why everyone is in a rush to dump him.

Y'all are spoiled. It's really not normal for guys tome come up to the bigs at age 23 and just rake. It usually takes some time. And this season is a football bat.

I don't see a reason to make any move at third base until about 60 games into the 2021 season.
Fair point. I think the problem is that the Lerners want to make another run next year so may not be willing to give him that long.

I believe Mike Schmidt hit .196 his first full year. Although he did hit home runs and was a great fielder. So not comparing Kieboom to him. Just that patience is sometimes needed.

I wonder what the attitude issue is?

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« Reply #106: September 08, 2020, 01:49:39 PM »
again, the issue for Kieboom is the rise of Garcia.  Going into next year, we've got Turner, Castro, Kieboom, and Garcia, plus whatever we end up doing at 1B.  Someone is the odd-man out, and right now it's likely Kieboom.  Garcia's rise has put Kieboom on a short leash.

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« Reply #107: September 08, 2020, 02:01:42 PM »
again, the issue for Kieboom is the rise of Garcia.  Going into next year, we've got Turner, Castro, Kieboom, and Garcia, plus whatever we end up doing at 1B.  Someone is the odd-man out, and right now it's likely Kieboom.  Garcia's rise has put Kieboom on a short leash.
Garcia has only a .707 OPS the far.  He is good defensively but not exactly raking. 

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« Reply #108: September 08, 2020, 02:26:08 PM »
Fair point. I think the problem is that the Lerners want to make another run next year so may not be willing to give him that long.

I believe Mike Schmidt hit .196 his first full year. Although he did hit home runs and was a great fielder. So not comparing Kieboom to him. Just that patience is sometimes needed.

I wonder what the attitude issue is?

Then 60 games into 2021, they they can trade a hamburger to the Mariners for Kyle Seager's backloaded contract. But I'm betting that this season's financial issues, and the Lerners taking the hit in the commercial real estate world, I don't think they're going to be all that willing to take another shot. Especially with the laundry list of things this team needs in order to be competitive.

Castellanos hit .259/.306/.394 his first full season. Again, this fanbase is spoiled by the success of Soto, Rendon, Harper, and Zimmerman. It's simply not normal for guys to come up that young and rake.

If we trade Kieboom, it's pretty much a lock someone makes a mild adjustment to his swing, and he will rake.
Garcia has only a .707 OPS the far.  He is good defensively but not exactly raking. 
I know Garcia has had a nice start, but he has plenty of option years and needs to physically develop still. No reason he can't stay in the minors another year. People are treating it like he's smashing the ball, but his wRC+ puts him at about the Jurickson Profar level of second basemen. Not exactly elite company.

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« Reply #109: September 08, 2020, 02:31:31 PM »
Garcia has only a .707 OPS the far.  He is good defensively but not exactly raking. 

true, but he's still ahead of Kieboom at this point IMHO.

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« Reply #110: September 08, 2020, 02:58:30 PM »
again, the issue for Kieboom is the rise of Garcia.  Going into next year, we've got Turner, Castro, Kieboom, and Garcia, plus whatever we end up doing at 1B.  Someone is the odd-man out, and right now it's likely Kieboom.  Garcia's rise has put Kieboom on a short leash.

I'm not sure why 5 guys for 4 spots is a problem.  With that group, you don't need a utility guy on the bench.   Against righties, Castro could play 1B assuming you sign/trade for a lefty hitter for 1B, and Garcia might sit against lefties when everyone's healthy.   It's not a good infield, but it's a functional one, and it's no worse than this year's.

Alternatively, you option either Garcia or Kieboom and Castro fills whichever position is open.   Alternatively, you trade or sit Castro.  Alternatively, you re-sign Cabrera and have him play SS because losing is awesome.  Castro wouldn't get much in trade, but there are a number of teams who need help at 2B so he's gone if the team thinks they're not competing next year either.

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« Reply #111: September 08, 2020, 03:04:12 PM »
I'm not sure why 5 guys for 4 spots is a problem.  With that group, you don't need a utility guy on the bench.   Against righties, Castro could play 1B assuming you sign/trade for a lefty hitter for 1B, and Garcia might sit against lefties when everyone's healthy.   It's not a good infield, but it's a functional one, and it's no worse than this year's.

Alternatively, you option either Garcia or Kieboom and Castro fills whichever position is open.   Alternatively, you trade or sit Castro.  Alternatively, you re-sign Cabrera and have him play SS because losing is awesome.  Castro wouldn't get much in trade, but there are a number of teams who need help at 2B so he's gone if the team thinks they're not competing next year either.
We also dont have a first baseman next season

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« Reply #112: September 08, 2020, 03:05:46 PM »
We also dont have a first baseman next season

Thames has a $4 million option.  :poke:

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« Reply #113: September 08, 2020, 03:22:48 PM »
Thames has a $4 million option.  :poke:

Bon voyage, Eric! :cheers:

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« Reply #114: September 08, 2020, 03:24:22 PM »
Don’t forget resigning Holt. And Cabrera.

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« Reply #115: September 08, 2020, 03:27:45 PM »
Thames has a $4 million option.  :poke:
Yea, we can pay Kieboom like an eight of that for about the same performance.

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Re: Carter Kieboom 2020
« Reply #116: September 08, 2020, 03:50:22 PM »
Garcia has only a .707 OPS the far.  He is good defensively but not exactly raking. 

he's also 20, so got to figure some additions in both plate discipline and power will come

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« Reply #117: September 08, 2020, 04:07:34 PM »
he's also 20, so got to figure some additions in both plate discipline and power will come
sometimes guys get better. Sometimes they don’t. No guarantees. 

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« Reply #118: September 08, 2020, 04:10:59 PM »
sometimes guys get better. Sometimes they don’t. No guarantees. 

Oh ye of little faith. He could be the second coming (of Joe Morgan).  :mg:

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« Reply #119: September 08, 2020, 06:57:37 PM »
We also dont have a first baseman next season
Zimmerman!

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« Reply #120: September 08, 2020, 06:59:00 PM »
Oh ye of little faith. He could be the second coming (of Joe Morgan).  :mg:
I'd be ok with than as long as he doesn't run his mouth like Morgan.

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« Reply #121: September 08, 2020, 07:22:47 PM »
I'd be ok with than as long as he doesn't run his mouth like Morgan.

I think I'd be ok with him running his mouth a little if he performs like a Hall of Famer.

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« Reply #122: September 09, 2020, 09:03:04 AM »
he can't hit and he can't field. bring the face back  :mg:

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Re: Carter Kieboom 2020
« Reply #123: September 09, 2020, 12:01:03 PM »
first XBH of the season last night!

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« Reply #124: September 11, 2020, 10:01:19 AM »
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