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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #100: August 17, 2022, 11:25:28 PM »
The brightest spots in the Nationals farm system at beginning of season were Henry and Brady House. Utterly devastating conclusions to both of their seasons.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #101: August 18, 2022, 12:21:01 AM »
Really sucks for Henry.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #102: August 18, 2022, 07:30:19 AM »
Would suggest y'all listen to the interview on Bustin Loose. He's really optimistic. Says that he's been dealing with fatigue and lingering soreness all season (and before), and that's why his starts weren't every fifth day. In the interview, he says that they gave him four weeks off, then had him throw, same issues. Went and saw a specialist, who gave him a nerve blocker. And with the nerve blocked, it was night and day difference. Also said that a lot of the guys he talked to that had recovered and are still playing had the same experience with the nerve block.

Says he thinks he will be ready for Spring Training.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #103: August 18, 2022, 07:48:15 AM »
Lock this thread.  He’s toast.  Tough break for him.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #104: August 18, 2022, 08:56:43 AM »
It kind of makes sense now. He has had arm and shoulder issues for three years. Even pitching as well as he did, he had bouts of dead arm.

Good interview by Grant Paulsen: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0jf760UrIyjhDUApX0C51p?si=2v9UFCVjTKqucXYn_vE77A&utm_source=copy-link
this is also the thing about Strasburg.  You go back through his injury history (google up Barry Svrluga's article, which I've linked to before) and in hindsight you can figure Strasburg was dealing with the nerve problem for probably 5+ years before he was re-signed.  Lot's of shoulder and neck issues, including several stints where they say it was for nerve inflammation or impingement.  I think what happened in 2019 is they thought they had gotten it to a manageable state so they thought they were safe re-signing him. 

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #105: August 18, 2022, 09:18:04 AM »
Maybe Joe Ross can complete a medical degree and research an alternate way of dealing with this issue, as this particular surgery does not seem to have the greatest track record

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #106: August 18, 2022, 09:35:39 AM »
Would suggest y'all listen to the interview on Bustin Loose. He's really optimistic. Says that he's been dealing with fatigue and lingering soreness all season (and before), and that's why his starts weren't every fifth day. In the interview, he says that they gave him four weeks off, then had him throw, same issues. Went and saw a specialist, who gave him a nerve blocker. And with the nerve blocked, it was night and day difference. Also said that a lot of the guys he talked to that had recovered and are still playing had the same experience with the nerve block.

Says he thinks he will be ready for Spring Training.
wait - he's getting surgery, right?  Isn't that more than some nerve blocker?

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #107: August 18, 2022, 11:49:27 AM »
wait - he's getting surgery, right?  Isn't that more than some nerve blocker?
Yes. Nerve blocker was used to diagnosis it

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #108: August 18, 2022, 12:19:05 PM »
Yes. Nerve blocker was used to diagnosis it
as in, if the blocker didn't work, then do surgery ?

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« Reply #109: August 18, 2022, 12:33:20 PM »
as in, if the blocker didn't work, then do surgery ?



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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #110: August 18, 2022, 01:30:46 PM »
as in, if the blocker didn't work, then do surgery ?
No. If the nerve blocker worked, then the nerve was the issue, indicating TOS surgery would be recommended

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #111: August 18, 2022, 01:35:21 PM »
No. If the nerve blocker worked, then the nerve was the issue, indicating TOS surgery would be recommended
sounded like from reply #102 that nerve blockers were the treatment that had had success.  It didn't sound like the success he was talking about was the surgery.

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« Reply #112: August 18, 2022, 04:56:14 PM »
sounded like from reply #102 that nerve blockers were the treatment that had had success.  It didn't sound like the success he was talking about was the surgery.

Well, if blocking a nerve causes the pain to go away, then the nerve is the problem.  But you can basically choose blocking a nerve OR pitching, because you kinda need those nerves to do things like grip a baseball, turn your wrist, move your fingers, depending on which exact nerves you're talking.  Just remember when Will Harris was starting down this journey, where he was trying to pitch despite the fact that he couldn't feel his fingers.  That's the type of impairment you're talking about.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #113: August 18, 2022, 04:59:46 PM »
Well, if blocking a nerve causes the pain to go away, then the nerve is the problem.  But you can basically choose blocking a nerve OR pitching, because you kinda need those nerves to do things like grip a baseball, turn your wrist, move your fingers, depending on which exact nerves you're talking.  Just remember when Will Harris was starting down this journey, where he was trying to pitch despite the fact that he couldn't feel his fingers.  That's the type of impairment you're talking about.

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« Reply #114: August 18, 2022, 06:43:13 PM »
Well, if blocking a nerve causes the pain to go away, then the nerve is the problem.  But you can basically choose blocking a nerve OR pitching, because you kinda need those nerves to do things like grip a baseball, turn your wrist, move your fingers, depending on which exact nerves you're talking.  Just remember when Will Harris was starting down this journey, where he was trying to pitch despite the fact that he couldn't feel his fingers.  That's the type of impairment you're talking about.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the docs know the nerve is the issue, they try to find where it's being entrapped, and then go in to relieve the pinching/pressure.

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« Reply #115: August 18, 2022, 07:05:40 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the docs know the nerve is the issue, they try to find where it's being entrapped, and then go in to relieve the pinching/pressure.

That sounds right, but all I know about this came from asking one of my old teammates who's now a doctor about TOS a couple months ago.  I'm a cut above Dr. Nick.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #116: August 20, 2022, 11:05:44 AM »
A return by Spring seems optimistic. I'm thinking more like "fare the well, Cole", sadly

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« Reply #117: August 20, 2022, 11:24:31 AM »
Yeah, I bet its more likely that he never pitches for the Nats than him making a full recovery/comeback.

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« Reply #118: August 20, 2022, 02:33:31 PM »
Would suggest y'all listen to the interview on Bustin Loose. He's really optimistic. Says that he's been dealing with fatigue and lingering soreness all season (and before), and that's why his starts weren't every fifth day. In the interview, he says that they gave him four weeks off, then had him throw, same issues. Went and saw a specialist, who gave him a nerve blocker. And with the nerve blocked, it was night and day difference. Also said that a lot of the guys he talked to that had recovered and are still playing had the same experience with the nerve block.

Says he thinks he will be ready for Spring Training.
rhis was a terrific interview

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #122: February 15, 2023, 04:32:17 PM »
That is legit awesome
In the article, he says this was bugging him for a while, back to LSU days.  If he comes anywhere close to how he had been pitching, my impression is that it's like the system adding another top 100 guy. 

this passage is interesting, discussing why TOS may have a bad rap:
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The stigma might come, at least in part, from big-name pitchers who underwent surgery toward the end of their careers — and in some cases underwent unnecessary surgeries before landing on a TOS diagnosis. That is Zombro’s view, and it’s shared by some who have opted for the surgery in recent years. Strasburg, for example, was 33 when he underwent TOS surgery and believes he only did so after an ill-advised procedure to address carpal tunnel syndrome the previous summer. Clayton Richard, a former MLB pitcher, says he had a superfluous second shoulder surgery that delayed his eventual comeback from TOS.

Henry, by contrast, had never been operated on before August. Antoine Kelly, a minor league pitcher for the Texas Rangers, also underwent TOS surgery without any major league service time, doing so at 20 years old in November 2020. Looking back a few decades, Jeff Henry remembers a number of guys who left the game because they had constant tingling in their throwing hands or plain old “dead arm.” He wonders if any of them, even a small handful, could have had their playing days extended by a TOS procedure.

“It’s more relieving than concerning,” Mike Rizzo, the Nationals’ general manager, said of Henry’s situation. “There are no miles on his arm. I think that’s the issue you see with Stras. Stras had a lot of trauma to his arm and that side of his body, and I’m hoping that because the kid is clean everywhere else, he can bounce back from this and be one of the success stories of this surgery.”

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #123: February 15, 2023, 05:14:20 PM »
I dunno.  Comes across as wishful thinking. Cannot get too excited after one bullpen session.

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Re: Follow the Prospects: Cole Henry, RHP
« Reply #124: February 15, 2023, 06:06:28 PM »
In the article, he says this was bugging him for a while, back to LSU days.  If he comes anywhere close to how he had been pitching, my impression is that it's like the system adding another top 100 guy. 

this passage is interesting, discussing why TOS may have a bad rap:
The reason he fell to the second round was because of his injury issues. Who knows, maybe.