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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1925: February 15, 2020, 08:48:24 AM »
Max.
His contract gives him negative trade value at this point.

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« Reply #1926: February 15, 2020, 09:41:45 AM »
His contract gives him negative trade value at this point.
Do you mean the deferred money? I would assume the Nats would be on the hook for all money deferred so far and through the trade deadline. Teams are always looking for another Verlander.

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« Reply #1927: February 15, 2020, 09:48:07 AM »
Do you mean the deferred money? I would assume the Nats would be on the hook for all money deferred so far and through the trade deadline. Teams are always looking for another Verlander.
Verlander was younger. Also, Scherzer has 70 million left of non-deferred money.


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« Reply #1928: February 15, 2020, 10:07:32 AM »
Verlander was younger. Also, Scherzer has 70 million left of non-deferred money.
He wouldn’t at the trade deadline. In any event it’s unlikely the Nats will be out of contention enough to blow it up by then.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1929: February 15, 2020, 11:02:41 AM »
He wouldn’t at the trade deadline. In any event it’s unlikely the Nats will be out of contention enough to blow it up by then.
It's still a lot of money. And if Scherzer is in the block, it's likely because he spent significant time on the IL again.

Scherzer, Strasburg, and Corbin have almost no trade value due to their contracts. The only valuable assets on the team would be Turner, Soto, Robles, and Kieboom. And they have a ton of control, so there would be no point in trading them.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1930: February 15, 2020, 01:36:34 PM »
It's still a lot of money. And if Scherzer is in the block, it's likely because he spent significant time on the IL again.

Scherzer, Strasburg, and Corbin have almost no trade value due to their contracts. The only valuable assets on the team would be Turner, Soto, Robles, and Kieboom. And they have a ton of control, so there would be no point in trading them.
I don't think it is hard for Eaton to be worth his contract..  FG projects him as 2.6 fWAR player, .285 / .365/ .420, with + defense, and he's getting $9.5MM with an option of $10.5MM next year ($1.5MM buyout). At $8MM a win, that's $21MM in value this year alone.  If he projects as 2.1 fWAR next year, someone would be interested.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1931: February 15, 2020, 03:17:53 PM »
I don't think it is hard for Eaton to be worth his contract..  FG projects him as 2.6 fWAR player, .285 / .365/ .420, with + defense, and he's getting $9.5MM with an option of $10.5MM next year ($1.5MM buyout). At $8MM a win, that's $21MM in value this year alone.  If he projects as 2.1 fWAR next year, someone would be interested.
Worth his contract,  sure. But who is giving up anything formal ~2 WAR, slap hitting corner OFer? Not a whole lot.
 
I interested, sure? Getting more than a Livan Soto or Jose Bonilla? Nope

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1932: February 17, 2020, 05:35:25 PM »
Imagine having the 3 batter minimum rule with our bullpen last year.

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« Reply #1933: February 19, 2020, 10:51:33 AM »
Imagine having the 3 batter minimum rule with our bullpen last year.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1934: February 19, 2020, 11:22:43 AM »
Imagine having the 3 batter minimum rule with our bullpen last year.
While better on paper, lets not  anoint this bp too soon.

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« Reply #1935: February 19, 2020, 01:28:56 PM »
While better on paper, lets not  anoint this bp too soon.

True. But now that I think about it, one of our biggest gripes during the regular season was Davey leaving guys in way too long. The 3 batter minimum rule might have been a godsend  :D

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« Reply #1936: February 19, 2020, 01:39:48 PM »
While better on paper, lets not  anoint this bp too soon.
I thought he meant how much of a catastrophe it would have been if every pitcher we brought in had to face at least three batters. . . .

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« Reply #1937: February 19, 2020, 01:40:29 PM »
True. But now that I think about it, one of our biggest gripes during the regular season was Davey leaving guys in way too long. The 3 batter minimum rule might have been a godsend  :D
Having an extra guy in the pen will help.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1938: February 19, 2020, 01:42:33 PM »
I thought he meant how much of a catastrophe it would have been if every pitcher we brought in had to face at least three batters. . . .
this rule is nice because i got tired of the game slowing down in the late innings for LOOGYs and specialists come in. Such a slow down.

That being said...our BP was not to be trusted outside of Doo/Hudson.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1939: February 19, 2020, 03:14:28 PM »
I am just not sure this particular change is all that necessary with the end of September call-ups. With rosters only expanded to 28, that's 12 fewer bench players and arms in the bullpen to play the game-slowing match-up tactics. It seems like the really egregious game-slowing mainly happened with the expanded rosters.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1943: February 29, 2020, 01:47:17 AM »
I’m worried about our offense, rendon is gone, replace by a rookie who can even bats his own weight. The rotation is a year older. The only good thing is the bullpen can’t get worse than last year

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1944: February 29, 2020, 05:19:36 PM »
I’m worried about our offense, rendon is gone, replace by a rookie who can even bats his own weight. The rotation is a year older. The only good thing is the bullpen can’t get worse than last year
It's the old are you better off with a bunch of slightly above league average performance in a bunch of positions or one stud and a few scrubs.  We are trying to replace Rendon with marginal improvements from SS and CF, and maybe 1B, to make up for the drop from Rendon.  That, and you hope Soto has another MVP-discussion kind of season.  You may be right that that's a bit too much hoping in comparison to Rendon's steady elite-level production.  Also, it would have been really nice to have the Turner and Robles improvement with Rendon than without it.

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1945: February 29, 2020, 07:06:54 PM »
I think Rendon will likely regress from last year’s performance. I think Soto will be a 7-8 win player and Turner will be a 5-6 win player (barring injury).  That makes up for most of the loss of rendon.  But I’m a SSS person.

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« Reply #1946: February 29, 2020, 07:26:50 PM »
They aren’t looking to replace Rendon wins with 1 person or even the entire new infield. You have to add the much better pen. Which is scary considering how bullpen arms can be shaky.

Also add complete removal of the curse!

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1947: February 29, 2020, 08:38:04 PM »
I think Rendon will likely regress from last year’s performance. I think Soto will be a 7-8 win player and Turner will be a 5-6 win player (barring injury).  That makes up for most of the loss of rendon.  But I’m a SSS person.
Rendon's regression is still to a top 10 player in baseball.


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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1948: February 29, 2020, 08:39:15 PM »
They aren’t looking to replace Rendon wins with 1 person or even the entire new infield. You have to add the much better pen. Which is scary considering how bullpen arms can be shaky.

Also add complete removal of the curse!
Doesnt your comment on how inconsistent bullpens are negate the pen being "much better?"

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Re: Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason
« Reply #1949: February 29, 2020, 08:50:41 PM »
Rendon's regression is still to a top 10 player in baseball.

I don’t disagree. But we are trying to make up for Rendon’s wins if he had stayed. I was simply saying I do not think he would have performed as well as last year if he had stayed.