Hot Stove: 2019-2020 Offseason

[Slateman]

I dont understand the negativity on Kieboom. Just about every scouting service had him as a top tier prospect. His draft position and minor league numbers support those rankings.

Basically it comes down to a 2 week stint in the bigs. Trout struggled in his first taste. Vlad struggled in his first taste.

Kieboom is a game, from a baseball family, and is very talented. It's fine to question how good hell become. But to write him completely off is ridiculous. Maybe he becomes a zero at the big league level. Just about everyone that is paid to cover the sport thinks hes a legit big leaguer. Give him more than 2 weeks.

For my money, hes going to prove to be a legit big leaguer this year and hit 20 bombs. He will be our 3rd baseman over the course of the next 5 years, and Garcia will eventually become our 2b.

Only one poster here is negative about Kieboom

[DCFan]

Only one poster here is negative about Kieboom

Lemmings. 

[GNatsNoMore]

Why should this team do something as desperate as trading Kieboom for a 2 yr rental or giving Donaldson 4/100? They've won a title. Kieboom is either going to be part of this team's core in the 2020's or a piece they will trade during the next rebuild.

+1.  Two years for Bryant is not long enough to give up Kieboom.

[GNatsNoMore]

Probably couldn't have botched this off-season any worse than we did.

Last offseason, we signed Trevor Rosenthal and Kyle Barraclough, and let a former MVP sign with the Phillies. 
 

[GNatsNoMore]

3 meh hitters replacing one of the best 3 hitters in baseball. Yeah thats not gonna work

 One of those "meh hitters" won the NLDS for us with a grand slam in the 10th inning of Game 5 against the Dodgers, and hit a go ahead (game winning) home run for us in the 7th inning of Game 7 of the World Series. We wouldn't have won the World Series without him.

[Slateman]

One of those "meh hitters" won the NLDS for us with a grand slam in the 10th inning of Game 5 against the Dodgers, and hit a go ahead (game winning) home run for us in the 7th inning of Game 7 of the World Series. We wouldn't have won the World Series without him.

We wouldnt have made the playoffs without Rendon

[Natsinpwc]

One of those "meh hitters" won the NLDS for us with a grand slam in the 10th inning of Game 5 against the Dodgers, and hit a go ahead (game winning) home run for us in the 7th inning of Game 7 of the World Series. We wouldn't have won the World Series without him.

I can’t see Howie playing 3B much. He will be filling in at 2B and when Zimm gets hurt at 1B. And we know the latter will happen quite a bit.

[bluestreak]

We wouldnt have made the playoffs without Rendon

Didn’t they finish 7 games clear of the second wild card? Take out Tony’s 6 wins and 

[Expos]

We wouldnt have made the playoffs without Rendon

He's gone man. Get over it.

You sound like that guy at the bar whining about how hot your high school girlfriend was that broke up with you.

[Natsinpwc]

Didn’t they finish 7 games clear of the second wild card? Take out Tony’s 6 wins and 

Doesn’t factor in his impact on others in the lineup. For instance do you think Soto will get as many good pitches to hit with no Rendon this year? Just adding up WAR doesn’t get you to an exact number of wins. Close but not exact.

[Slateman]

Didn’t they finish 7 games clear of the second wild card? Take out Tony’s 6 wins and 

That's not really how WAR works. You're looking more for WPA.

The 2019 Nats were 6th in runs. How many more games do they lose with average third base hitting combined with this bullpen?

He's gone man. Get over it.

You sound like that guy at the bar whining about how hot your high school girlfriend was that broke up with you.

That's not really the point. Trying to pretend like Asdrubel Cabrera and Howie Kendrick's performances in the last month of the season will translate into a full season in 2020 is naive.

[sixthree175]

Does anyone know what they will pay Zimm? I tend to think it will be more like $7 or $8 million. Because he is Zimm.

He is less valuable than Cabrera -- so no higher than $2.5mm (with $0.5mm in incentives).

[imref]

There was a report a week ago that Zimm and the Nats we’re discussing a one year deal for $4 million.

[GburgNatsFan]

There was a report a week ago that Zimm and the Nats we’re discussing a one year deal for $4 million.

This is what I heard.

The guy still has a good glove and can hit when he plays.

[Expos]

That's not really the point. Trying to pretend like Asdrubel Cabrera and Howie Kendrick's performances in the last month of the season will translate into a full season in 2020 is naive.

Again, what can we do about it? No sense in whining about it now
 There was no way we were going to give out 200 mil contracts to 2 players this offseason and bringing back Strasburg was the right decision of the two.

Again, the offseason isn't over. We still have time to add another 3B or sign Donaldson.

And like I said our pen will be better. We have an elite staff. Robles and Soto have a year of experience. Hopefully Turner plays all 163. There is no reason to believe we won't be as good as last year and be a contender.

I've never seen a more negative person than you in my life. It's disgusting how you bring this board down. I can guarantee you have never played organized sports before with your negative, piss poor attitude.

[imref]

via @talknats2

New @fangraphs loves Will Harris at+1.3 WAR & #Nats are now +19.4 for position players and +22.8 for the pitchers equals +42.2. That is 8th in the Majors. Nats will see a big jump with a lefty for the infield. Rizzo hopefully adds at least another+3.0 WAR

[Slateman]

Again, what can we do about it? No sense in whining about it now
 There was no way we were going to give out 200 mil contracts to 2 players this offseason and bringing back Strasburg was the right decision of the two.

Again, the offseason isn't over. We still have time to add another 3B or sign Donaldson.

And like I said our pen will be better. We have an elite staff. Robles and Soto have a year of experience. Hopefully Turner plays all 163. There is no reason to believe we won't be as good as last year and be a contender.

I've never seen a more negative person than you in my life. It's disgusting how you bring this board down. I can guarantee you have never played organized sports before with your negative, piss poor attitude.

Perhaps you shouldnt interject into others' conversations.

I wasnt being "negative." I was pointing out that the three hitters claiming to replace the elite one by using logic about instances in the playoffs.

Being negative would be something along the lines of saying your posts here suck.

PS - Played collegiate baseball for a Division I school. Eat me.

[Natsinpwc]

This is what I heard.

The guy still has a good glove and can hit WHEN HE PLAYS.

And that's the crux of it.  They really need his bat this year to make up for the loss at 3B.  Howie is not an everyday player.  Maybe this will be the year Zimm finally stays healthy. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I've never seen a more negative person than you in my life. It's disgusting how you bring this board down. I can guarantee you have never played organized sports before with your negative, piss poor attitude.

Perhaps you shouldnt interject into others' conversations.

I wasnt being "negative." I was pointing out that the three hitters claiming to replace the elite one by using logic about instances in the playoffs.

Being negative would be something along the lines of saying your posts here suck.

PS - Played collegiate baseball for a Division I school. Eat me.

At this point gentleman, please refrain from further insults. 

[Kevrock]

I dont understand the negativity on Kieboom. Just about every scouting service had him as a top tier prospect. His draft position and minor league numbers support those rankings.

Basically it comes down to a 2 week stint in the bigs. Trout struggled in his first taste. Vlad struggled in his first taste.

Kieboom is a game, from a baseball family, and is very talented. It's fine to question how good hell become. But to write him completely off is ridiculous. Maybe he becomes a zero at the big league level. Just about everyone that is paid to cover the sport thinks hes a legit big leaguer. Give him more than 2 weeks.

For my money, hes going to prove to be a legit big leaguer this year and hit 20 bombs. He will be our 3rd baseman over the course of the next 5 years, and Garcia will eventually become our 2b.

Solid post, always enjoy your input.

[Truconfidence]

It's like people forget he hit 2 Homer's off Verlander in Spring Training.

[nats4ever]

Again, what can we do about it? No sense in whining about it now
 There was no way we were going to give out 200 mil contracts to 2 players this offseason and bringing back Strasburg was the right decision of the two.

Again, the offseason isn't over. We still have time to add another 3B or sign Donaldson.

And like I said our pen will be better. We have an elite staff. Robles and Soto have a year of experience. Hopefully Turner plays all 163. There is no reason to believe we won't be as good as last year and be a contender.

I've never seen a more negative person than you in my life. It's disgusting how you bring this board down. I can guarantee you have never played organized sports before with your negative, piss poor attitude.

He's not worth the time... People with those negative attitudes, need a hug. Let's get ready for the season.   

[Slateman]

It's like people forget he hit 2 Homer's off Verlander in Spring Training.

Rosenthal threw strikes in spring training too. ST means very little.

It's a big step. He looked lost at the plate in his cup of coffee. I can understand not wanting to rely on him to start a season. I gotta imagine Kevin Long will give him a lot more attention during ST this season and that's gonna help.  Kieboom has hit at every level, so I expect the hitting to be there come May, or early June when hes called up. Defense is more the question.

[Truconfidence]

Rosenthal threw strikes in spring training too. ST means very little.

It's a big step. He looked lost at the plate in his cup of coffee. I can understand not wanting to rely on him to start a season. I gotta imagine Kevin Long will give him a lot more attention during ST this season and that's gonna help.  Kieboom has hit at every level, so I expect the hitting to be there come May, or early June when hes called up. Defense is more the question.

Ahhh two.different situations. I was saying that to say the talent is there. Struggling your first callup is not that uncommon,  see Trea Turner. Rosenthal has the talent also, he just had the yips.

[imref]

Solid post, always enjoy your input.

agreed, and I agree with RD.  He's 22, let's wait a bit to write him off.