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Re: Extend Soto
« Reply #225: October 05, 2020, 01:03:44 PM »
Zero or one?
Anyway, good point.

Thanks - think my brain was going for 'less than two outs in the inning,' and switched to the number of outs that already occurred. Ended up with a dumb statement on my part, and I appreciate the catch.

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« Reply #226: October 05, 2020, 01:37:10 PM »
Tied for number 102 all time so he has a bunch.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GIDP_career.shtml

He’s played in about 10 full seasons worth of games so it comes out to about 20 GIDPs per full season.

I mean, given who else is on that list, i don’t think it’s really something to be ashamed of being on it.

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« Reply #227: October 05, 2020, 01:44:18 PM »
A much more interesting stat would be percentage of GIDP  out of opportunities

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« Reply #228: October 05, 2020, 01:48:36 PM »
A much more interesting stat would be percentage of GIDP  out of opportunities
The stat is based on that.

https://library.fangraphs.com/offense/wgdp/


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« Reply #229: October 05, 2020, 01:56:46 PM »
I mean, given who else is on that list, i don’t think it’s really something to be ashamed of being on it.
Agree. The other stats JCA provided data on (wGDP) shows that he was below average.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2020&month=0&season1=1871&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=1871-01-01&enddate=2020-12-31&sort=15,d&page=6_30

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Re: Extend Soto
« Reply #230: October 08, 2020, 01:32:19 PM »
I'm guessing Ramos is on it because he is the slowest guy in the league.   A high strikeout guy would never make it up that list.   I guess you have to be relatively slow, and put lots of balls in play to be good at grounding into DPs.   I don't know if it is really a stat to care about.   Kind of like a team leading the league in turning double plays isn't anything to brag about.

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« Reply #231: October 08, 2020, 02:01:56 PM »
I'm guessing Ramos is on it because he is the slowest guy in the league.   A high strikeout guy would never make it up that list.   I guess you have to be relatively slow, and put lots of balls in play to be good at grounding into DPs.   I don't know if it is really a stat to care about.   Kind of like a team leading the league in turning double plays isn't anything to brag about.
It’s always better to get two outs rather than one when you are on defense. Always better to avoid a double play when on offense. How critical? I don’t know for sure.

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Re: Extend Soto
« Reply #232: October 08, 2020, 02:15:14 PM »
I'm guessing Ramos is on it because he is the slowest guy in the league.   A high strikeout guy would never make it up that list.   I guess you have to be relatively slow, and put lots of balls in play to be good at grounding into DPs.   I don't know if it is really a stat to care about.   Kind of like a team leading the league in turning double plays isn't anything to brag about.
Slow + hard hit balls = A lot of GIDP

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« Reply #233: October 08, 2020, 02:23:29 PM »
It’s always better to get two outs rather than one when you are on defense. Always better to avoid a double play when on offense. How critical? I don’t know for sure.

Better yet to not allow baserunners in the first place.

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Re: Extend Soto
« Reply #234: October 08, 2020, 02:24:46 PM »
Slow + hard hit balls = A lot of GIDP
I seriously wonder how good Michael Morse could have been if he had been around today in the try to  hit flies era.  I think he always had more GBs than balls in the air.

edit - career 48% GB rate


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Re: Extend Soto
« Reply #236: October 14, 2020, 07:28:30 PM »
https://www.masnsports.com/byron-kerr/2020/10/soto-finalist-for-2020-hank-aaron-award.html
I think it will be Freeman, but the OPS and average have to count for Soto. Interesting that it's Seager and not Betts from LAD

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« Reply #237: October 17, 2020, 08:10:32 PM »
FWIW, with MAT opting for free agency and Scherzer / Strasburg signed, Soto now is the only other Boras client on the roster.  4 years of arbitration, but the only sort of contract I could see Soto signing is one that takes him through his arbitration years.  That's what Boras and Harper did.