PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[Ray D]

If we eliminate every manager who has ever had a decision go badly in the playoffs we will end up with another Acta, Williams, or Martinez.

Well no, we would not end up with Williams.

[LoveAngelos]

It will be impossible, for me anyway, to have any hope or expectation for next year if he is still manager..........If Lerner wants to put a damper on ticket sales next season then don't release DAVEY

[PowerBoater69]

It will be impossible, for me anyway, to have any hope or expectation for next year if he is still manager..........If Lerner wants to put a damper on ticket sales next season then don't release DAVEY

Ticket sales are mostly locked in with the two year commitments, allowing them to coast for another season with Martinez. I thought that the Lerner family wanted to win a World Series for the old man but that does not appear to be the case.

[Baseball is Life]

Ticket sales are mostly locked in with the two year commitments, allowing them to coast for another season with Martinez.

Mindact. You have no idea what the percentage of two year commitments are a part of total tickets sales.

[DCFan]

Would you guys put your little peckers back in your pants. Rizzo has already said Dave is coming back next year. 

[Baseball is Life]

Would you guys put your little peckers back in your pants. Rizzo has already said Dave is coming back next year. 

Meh. He also said Dusty was coming back.

[DCFan]

Meh. He also said Dusty was coming back.

I’m sorry but I don’t remember it that way.

[Ray D]

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1368118

Rizzo: Baker deserves to return as Nationals' manager

 Close enough.

[DCFan]

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1368118

 Close enough.

“Deserves” isn’t the same as “is going to” like he said with Dave.

[aBaltoNat]

It will be impossible, for me anyway, to have any hope or expectation for next year if he is still manager..........If Lerner wants to put a damper on ticket sales next season then don't release DAVEY

Unfortunately, I agree. Anything this team does next year will be a "surprise".

[JCA-CrystalCity]

“Deserves” isn’t the same as “is going to” like he said with Dave.

[bluestreak]

“Deserves” isn’t the same as “is going to” like he said with Dave.

Did he say “is going to”? Or did he say “I haven’t considered any other scenario“ ?  Those seem like different things to me.

[Ray D]

“Deserves” isn’t the same as “is going to” like he said with Dave.

"Deserves" says to me "if it's up to me he stays" and since it didn't happen, it wasn't up to him. Clearly he was overruled. So when he say Martinez is staying, clearly, he can again be overruled.

[PowerBoater69]

“It’s the little things that matter and that’s something that we’ll address this winter,” Martinez said, “that’s something that we’re going to address in Spring Training. The little things turn out to be big things. So let’s concentrate on doing little things every day ... and when you do little things they become really big things at the end so we’re going to focus a lot on that.”

How comforting. Martinez is going to fix the little things this winter. Like magic, we're 2019 World Series bound. If he only had a brain.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I can't really bother to give a crap about Martinez coming back.

On the one hand, I get the feeling he's probably another Acta and this is going to be a disaster.

But ultimately, does it really matter?  We already pissed away the really major window year.  We have one more coming up, a lesser window year, if you will.  As important as that sounds, it's not like the front office has shown any aptitude for picking out managers.  Either they go with old guys with a penchant for choking (Rusty, Davey) or inexperienced dimwits who end up finding themselves in way over their heads (Standard Decision, Joe Camel).

If the Nats change managers now, they're not getting the next Alex Cora or A.J. Hinch, so what's the difference?  Might as well hope for some offseason alchemy - maybe Martinez will wake up and magically figure it out.

[PowerBoater69]

Does anyone here subscribe to Dan Steinbog's email thing? Apparently he ripped Martinez pretty good this morning.

[hotshot]

Apparently, the "little things" were what killed the team this season. In other words, things the manager is responsible for. And, apparently unlike this past Spring, Davey will be focusing on them as of now. Guess, coming over from the Cubs, he assumed the Nats had players schooled in base running fundamentals, sacrificing, throwing to the right base, etc.

[PowerBoater69]

Apparently, the "little things" were what killed the team this season. In other words, things the manager is responsible for. And, apparently unlike this past Spring, Davey will be focusing on them as of now. Guess, coming over from the Cubs, he assumed the Nats had players schooled in base running fundamentals, sacrificing, throwing to the right base, etc.

Ah, so it was the previous administration's fault that the team failed, how very Washington.

[PowerBoater69]

From Janes' post mortem

"I think the culture has shifted. What I’m starting to see now, it’s about the team. If you watch them now, they’re playing for each other,” Martinez said. “ . . . Sometimes you get focused on individual stats and performances, they mess with what really makes a championship team click. That’s being united. This group has done that. I started to notice it.”

What a freaking loser. He's bragging about changing the culture on a team that just lost more games than they had in the previous seven seasons. They dropped from 97 to 82 wins and this idiot thinks that having a unified clubhouse means something.

Even if that was true it would be meaningless, but defense, baserunning, and close game wins were all down this year, so why are we supposed to believe that he has improved the team intangibles? What a loser and we appear to be stuck with him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/2018/10/02/whats-blame-nationals-lost-season-part-ii-coaching-staff/#click=https://t.co/z5NMaL4ICA

[UMDNats]

If Martinez was the literal devil like you seem to believe I think the team would have completely folded a long time ago. Didn't see any signs of the team saying "freak this guy."

I am hoping next year is better and am willing to give him this offseason to correct and learn. Firing him now 100% guarantees we hire another first-year manager who is a total unknown or a guy who is such a retread that he just took any job offered.

[UMDNats]

Apparently, the "little things" were what killed the team this season. In other words, things the manager is responsible for. And, apparently unlike this past Spring, Davey will be focusing on them as of now. Guess, coming over from the Cubs, he assumed the Nats had players schooled in base running fundamentals, sacrificing, throwing to the right base, etc.

The manager is responsible for hitters taking called third strikes with RISP, failing to get runners over or for recording outs in big moments? He's not holding the bat. These are professional baseball players who are responsible for their own mistakes. Managers take the heat but do you honestly believe Martinez was sitting there like, "wow, I guess no one told Harper where to throw the ball! Can't believe that! guess i'll just never talk to him about it."

this isn't little league. harper is almost a 10-year MLB veteran. eaton, zimmerman, wieters, rendon, turner. these guys made their own freak-ups.

he can make a point to emphasize them in 2019 but at the end of the day a RF throwing to the wrong base is the RF's issue when he's done it for his whole career.

[PowerBoater69]

If Martinez was the literal devil like you seem to believe I think the team would have completely folded a long time ago. Didn't see any signs of the team saying "freak this guy."

I am hoping next year is better and am willing to give him this offseason to correct and learn. Firing him now 100% guarantees we hire another first-year manager who is a total unknown or a guy who is such a retread that he just took any job offered.

Literally anyone would be an improvement but sure, they would either be a first year manager or a retread. Loser mentality to think that a situation is beyond improvement.

As far as Martinez being the devil, did you read the article or my comments? He's Mr Nice Guy. He pulled off quite a feat, it's not easy to tear down a playoff team and still be well liked. The Nats went on a season long corporate retreat. Free agents who want a low stress easy going vibe are going to flock here.

[UMDNats]

It's a loser mentality to think a situation is freaked forever because of a mediocre first season. Rather than work to fix the issues - of which there are many, in a lot of areas - you'd rather just kick the can down the road to the next manager you will complain about for months. 

No one has been as relentless in their criticism of Martinez (and unwilling to acknowledge players make mistakes - nope, all manager!) and honestly I hope next year we win the division and he wins manager of the year just to see you spin it that he's a crappy coach.

He might be a total turd like Manny Acta but I won't let one season like this make my final opinion.

[PowerBoater69]

It's a loser mentality to think a situation is freaked forever because of a mediocre first season. Rather than work to fix the issues - of which there are many, in a lot of areas - you'd rather just kick the can down the road to the next manager you will complain about for months. 

No one has been as relentless in their criticism of Martinez (and unwilling to acknowledge players make mistakes - nope, all manager!) and honestly I hope next year we win the division and he wins manager of the year just to see you spin it that he's a crappy coach.

He might be a total turd like Manny Acta but I won't let one season like this make my final opinion.

One season was more than enough, I had this guy pegged right from the first press conference.

[mitlen]

One season was more than enough, I had this guy pegged right from the first press conference.

Took the missus to Dulles around 3:30 AM Saturday.    On the way out of the parking lot, I had an issue with my credit card being stuck in the machine.    Main guy shows up and notices the tags ( ).     After I got my card back, we discussed the dave/Dusty thing for 5 or 10  minutes.