PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018)

[bluestreak]

Dusty was making 2 mil a year. They did not let him walk to save money. DM is making less but he is signed for three years. People are attacking you because you are constantly beating the same drum. It is getting  freakin' tiring and pedantic. And why was I not the only one who felt you were playing the race card. Give it a rest or GTFO.

Money definitely played a role in it. Dusty was going to want more than 2 million a year if he signed a new contract. He was probably going to ask for more money per year than Martinez is making for his entire contract. And the Lerner's have a history of cheaping out on managers. Plus apparently they were offended he brought up his contract situation and money during the season. So I think it also had to do with other things, but money definitely had something to do with it.

What is the race card anyway? Or Race baiting?

[spidernat]

What is the race card anyway? Or Race baiting?

[varoadking]

Are you just waiting for folks to do your research for you?

Oh please...why should I go on a fools errand?  I am waiting for him to provide the intel he claims to have though...

jeebus...you've gotten really snarky in your old age...

[Slateman]

And YET he was one of the 7 that got hired for last years managerial positions.

He was hired to manage a team that has no chance of making the playoffs for the next 3 years

[welch]

Washington baseball legend: Bucky Harris, 1925 World Series, Game 7. Started Walter Johnson, who had pulled a hamstring stretching a single to a double in his last start. Fog and rain, lousy footing on the mound. Pirates caught the Nats around the 7th inning. AL president (Ban Johnson?) howled at Bucky, saying Harris should have started someone else. Bucky's reply: "If it's the Seventh Game and you have Walter Johnson, you start Walter Johnson".

A manager is supposed to make decisions. Sometimes, like Bucky's handling of the Nats' pitching in Game 7, 1924, the decisions work out. (Single best managerial plan of any WS game. Yes, ever.) Sometimes they don't.

dave is a long way from winning his Davey. Maybe he will have improved by next season.

[Slateman]

Oh please...why should I go on a fools errand?  I am waiting for him to provide the intel he claims to have though...

jeebus...you've gotten really snarky in your old age...

He offered to provide information, not intelligence.

Information is knowledge communicated about a particular fact or circumstance. Intelligence  is all about finding out information, determining what it means – and then using it to take action.

[mitlen]

Oh please...why should I go on a fools errand?  I am waiting for him to provide the intel he claims to have though...

jeebus...you've gotten really snarky in your old age...

I think this season has made us all a little cranky.

[Slateman]

I think this season has made us all a little cranky.

I'm not cranky ur cranky

[varoadking]

He offered to provide information, not intelligence.

Information is knowledge communicated about a particular fact or circumstance. Intelligence  is all about finding out information, determining what it means – and then using it to take action.

Oh, jeebus...take a pill...

[mitlen]

I'm not cranky ur cranky

Bullcrap   .....   

[welch]

For a more interesting read than last night's box score, here is the play-by-play from Game 7, 1924. By the way, notice the real-ballplayer-names, like Frankie Frisch, High Pockets Kelley, Irish Meusel, Goose Goslin.

For extra pleasure, spot what Bucky did which had never been done in such a grand way, and the extra twist that no World Series manager has done since.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/WS1/WS1192410100.shtml

[aspenbubba]

Money definitely played a role in it. Dusty was going to want more than 2 million a year if he signed a new contract. He was probably going to ask for more money per year than Martinez is making for his entire contract. And the Lerner's have a history of cheaping out on managers. Plus apparently they were offended he brought up his contract situation and money during the season. So I think it also had to do with other things, but money definitely had something to do with it.

What is the race card anyway? Or Race baiting?

Money has something to do with everything. Do the freakin' research. Rustys salary was 4 M for two years with no options. That put him in the top 25% quartile of all managers. DM is making 1 M per year for 3 years with one option. Aaron Boone is making 1.3 M. Stop with the FO being cheap.

[Natsinpwc]

Here's baseball-reference's list of all categories.    Have at it:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/index.shtml

I still hate Danny Ozark. Rest his soul. 2-9 postseason.

[PowerBoater69]

Money has something to do with everything. Do the freakin' research. Rustys salary was 4 M for two years with no options. That put him in the top 25% quartile of all managers. DM is making 1 M per year for 3 years with one option. Aaron Boone is making 1.3 M. Stop with the FO being cheap.

You have no idea if that part about the comparison with other managers is true yet you continue to post that as fact.

[tzinc]

After those 2 seasons they were going to have to pay Dusty more everyone was saying that this way they didnt Davey is cheaper.  Lerners are dollar wise but penny foolish. They do spend just not enough always fall short.

Gardenhire Ozark Oates Morgan erc and every manager who never made the playoffs lol

[mitlen]

I still hate Danny Ozark. Rest his soul. 2-9 postseason.

I was gonna mention to welch that the greatest managin' job in a WS 7th game was Danny Murtaugh in 1960.    The genius of havin' Maz bat in the bottom of the 9th.

[aspenbubba]

You have no idea if that part about the comparison with other managers is true yet you continue to post that as fact.

I have posted that as fact several times. I cannot obtain complete salaries. Maybe someone more skilled than I could get it. Please google it and see what you come up with.

[varoadking]

Gardenhire Ozark Oates Morgan

Thank you...

[HalfSmokes]

After those 2 seasons they were going to have to pay Dusty more everyone was saying that this way they didnt Davey is cheaper.  Lerners are dollar wise but penny foolish. They do spend just not enough always fall short.

Gardenhire Ozark Oates Morgan erc and every manager who never made the playoffs lol

I wonder if the Yankees or Red Sox are regretting under paying young managers, I guess they're both cheap.

also

And what would that reason be?

still waiting for an answer

[Natsinpwc]

After those 2 seasons they were going to have to pay Dusty more everyone was saying that this way they didnt Davey is cheaper.  Lerners are dollar wise but penny foolish. They do spend just not enough always fall short.

Gardenhire Ozark Oates Morgan erc and every manager who never made the playoffs lol

None of those guys managed 50 post season games.

P.S. is that considered a personal insult? Don’t want to offend you.

[PowerBoater69]

I have posted that as fact several times. I cannot obtain complete salaries. Maybe someone more skilled than I could get it. Please google it and see what you come up with.

I've done that already replying to you in this thread, only about a third of the salaries are known. It is unknown where Baker placed among other managers.

[tzinc]

So youre going to hold it against him that he went to the playoffs more lol.  Thats ridiculous. He was a very successful MLB manager. Is Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton.

Dusty has a great record especially considering he did it with different teams.

Luck plays a much bigger role in playoffs than regular season.

[bluestreak]

Money has something to do with everything. Do the freakin' research. Rustys salary was 4 M for two years with no options. That put him in the top 25% quartile of all managers. DM is making 1 M per year for 3 years with one option. Aaron Boone is making 1.3 M. Stop with the FO being cheap.

Rosenthal reported that Martinez was only making $850,000.

For the 3 years that the Nats are obligated to pay Martinez. They will owe him a total of 2.55 million dollars. Dusty was going to ask for more than that per year since he basically said in the media that he had been working at a discount (which is one of the things that pissed off the Lerners.)

Dusty was not in the top 25%

Note; This is the first listing of all the manager salaries I have even seen. It looks like it was released by USA Today 2 days ago.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/08/27/mlb-managers-salary-rankings-how-much-paid-2018-baseball-season/1111776002/

1. Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles Angels: $6 million
1. Joe Maddon, Chicago Cubs, $6 million
1. Bruce Bochy, San Francisco Giants: $6 million
4. Terry Francona, Cleveland Indians: $4 million
4. Buck Showalter, Baltimore Orioles: $4 million
6. Ned Yost, Kansas City Royals: $3.7 million
7. Clint Hurdle, Pittsburgh Pirates: $3 million
7. #John Farrell, Boston Red Sox: $3 million
9. Bob Melvin, Oakland A’s: $2.5 million
10. Don Mattingly, Miami Marlins: $2.4 million
11. #Mike Matheny, St. Louis Cardinals: $1.9 million
12. John Gibbons, Toronto Blue Jays: $1.7 million
13. Ron Gardenhire, Detroit Tigers: $1.5 million
13. Craig Counsell, Milwaukee Brewers: $1.5 million
13. Paul Molitor, Minnesota Twins: $1.5 million
13. Bud Black, Colorado Rockies: $1.5 million
17. #Bryan Price, Cincinnati Reds: $1.4 million
18. A.J. Hinch, Houston Astros: $1.2 million
18. Rick Renteria, Chicago White Sox: $1.2 million
20. Aaron Boone, New York Yankees: $1.15 million
21. Kevin Cash, Tampa Bay Rays: $1 million
21. Dave Roberts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $1 million
21. Andy Green, San Diego Padres: $1 million
24. Jeff Bannister, Texas Rangers: $950,000
25. Torey Lovullo, Arizona Diamondbacks: $900,000
26. Davey Martinez, Washington Nationals: $850,000
26. Mickey Callaway, New York Mets: $850,000
28. Gabe Kapler, Philadelphia Phillies: $803,000
29. Alex Cora, Boston Red Sox: $800,000
29. Scott Servais, Seattle Mariners: $800,000
29. Brian Snitker, Atlanta Braves: $800,000
32. @Jim Riggleman, Cincinnati Reds: $700,000 (prorated)
32. @Mike Shildt, St. Louis Cardinals: $700,00 (prorated)

[Natsinpwc]

So youre going to hold it against him that he went to the playoffs more lol.  Thats ridiculous. He was a very successful MLB manager. Is Trent Dilfer a better QB than Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton.

Dusty has a great record especially considering he did it with different teams.

Luck plays a much bigger role in playoffs than regular season.

No one wanted to hire him again until the Nationals messed up the Bud Black hire. Dusty is a great motivator. He fails in the post season when more strategy enters the game. Unfortunately we seem to have come up with a manager who lacks motivational skills and strategy.

[tzinc]

No the strategy required for post season is the same as regular season Dusty is not handicapped in strategy thinking and there it is again  alluding to Dustys mentality typical comment Again Maddon made several mistakes in that series why is his nentality better than Dustys lol so obvious

Dustys great at the old time motivation but dont ask him to do no heavy thinking like when to bring in a reliever wven though he does it 1000 times in his career and it works out most of the time

Come on people this is 2018