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Offline aspenbubba

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2250 on: August 14, 2018, 09:22:03 am »
Davey was a terrible hire, but is just a passenger right now, just as all of us are.  He needs to stop saying, "It will turn around" every night.  He's killing me with that.

There were 7 managerial openings during the off season.  There were four rookies hired. Did anyone think that the Nats hired the least competent one before ST?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2251 on: August 14, 2018, 09:22:49 am »
Unless DM paid for the camels out of his pocket Rizzo had to sign off on it. A hokey move........yes but not indictitive of anything else.

Circle of Trust, golfing on the practice field, home run trot practice, clubhouse DJs, and playing dress up on the Miami road trip were all Martinez. He's like a walking Disney movie where the kids are in charge and everyone laughs and learns a lesson why that's not a good idea.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2252 on: August 14, 2018, 09:24:00 am »
There were 7 managerial openings during the off season.  There were four rookies hired. Did anyone think that the Nats hired the least competent one before ST?

Hate this hire. Baker was respected in the clubhouse, no one is going to give a crap about nobody Dave Martinez. Good luck to him trying to manage guys like Harper, Scherzer, and Strasburg. The Nats might still win the East if everyone else still stinks, but doubtful they win 90 games.

Hopefully his contract is just two years.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2253 on: August 14, 2018, 09:28:09 am »
Rizzo dumped Kintzler and Kelley to protect dave. A GM has to defend the manager during the season. Here's hoping the Lerners let Rizzo fire dave on October 1.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2254 on: August 14, 2018, 09:34:06 am »
Uh, two of those who are gone are by his choice.  One had 29 saves last year.  You know, the one he let go on a vendetta about a leak on how things are in the Clubhouse?  A leak to a guy he has never spoken to, or texted, or emailed? Really nice example Rizzo made of him.  Bound to help instill confidence in the rest of the bullpen too.

being exiled to a contender must suck

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2255 on: August 14, 2018, 09:35:45 am »
Rizzo dumped Kintzler and Kelley to protect dave. A GM has to defend the manager during the season. Here's hoping the Lerners let Rizzo fire dave on October 1.

no manager here has lasted more than two years since Acta, I'm not sure people will be happy with whoever they get to replace Martinez- anyone with other options sure as hell isn't coming here

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2256 on: August 14, 2018, 09:44:58 am »
At the time I thought it was a bold move. Now it's clear it was just vindictive and uninformed.

I mean, there's evidence that the two of them jumped in on an interview that Scherzer was doing and whined about being NL relief pitchers, but if that was the extent of their sins, well, you sit them down in your office and read them the riot act.

Uh, two of those who are gone are by his choice.  One had 29 saves last year.  You know, the one he let go on a vendetta about a leak on how things are in the Clubhouse?  A leak to a guy he has never spoken to, or texted, or emailed? Really nice example Rizzo made of him.  Bound to help instill confidence in the rest of the bullpen too.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2257 on: August 14, 2018, 09:57:12 am »
At the time I thought it was a bold move. Now it's clear it was just vindictive and uninformed.

I mean, there's evidence that the two of them jumped in on an interview that Scherzer was doing and whined about being NL relief pitchers, but if that was the extent of their sins, well, you sit them down in your office and read them the riot act.


I still wonder what conversations occurred in private before they were let go.   Were they told to "chill" in private and disregarded the suggestion?     If not, then you're point one is dead on.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2258 on: August 14, 2018, 10:36:34 am »
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Martinez on Solis and the bullpen: “I don’t know what else to do.”

Uh. Walk carpenter?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2259 on: August 14, 2018, 10:37:27 am »
Once you tell the media, "I don't know what else to do," you're cooked.

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« Reply #2260 on: August 14, 2018, 10:40:45 am »
Once you tell the media, "I don't know what else to do," you're cooked.

Janes quote seems a bit out of context, Zuck has the whole quote:

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"I don't know what else to do," Martinez said when asked specifically about Solís, against whom left-handed batters are hitting .286. "He's gotta get lefties out. I put him up against lefties. I know it's not easy, but that's his job, and he hasn't been able to do that."

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2261 on: August 14, 2018, 10:48:11 am »
Janes quote seems a bit out of context, Zuck has the whole quote:

Okay, so what he's saying translated is, 'The man pitches left handed and everyone knows that left handed pitchers are better at getting left handed hitters out than they are at getting right handed batters out.'  Basically, he doesn't know what to do because when he ignores reality and makes a standard decision, it doesn't work out well.

He needs to go.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2262 on: August 14, 2018, 10:48:18 am »
Uh. Walk carpenter?

Did he learn nothing of the walk strategy all those years as Maddon's understudy?

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2263 on: August 14, 2018, 11:16:22 am »
It's irresponsible to cherry pick that quote like that.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2264 on: August 14, 2018, 11:18:29 am »
Circle of Trust, golfing on the practice field, home run trot practice, clubhouse DJs, and playing dress up on the Miami road trip were all Martinez. He's like a walking Disney movie where the kids are in charge and everyone laughs and learns a lesson why that's not a good idea.
Do you honestly think that he thought those up on his own? Joe Maddon was infamous for things like that.




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« Reply #2265 on: August 14, 2018, 11:22:05 am »
It's irresponsible to cherry pick that quote like that.

I applaud him for saying that. The time for being Mr Niceguy is quickly running out if it hasn’t already. So now it’s time to see who wants to be on the team next year and who’s getting tossed aside because they can’t cut it.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2266 on: August 14, 2018, 11:22:47 am »
Do you honestly think that he thought those up on his own? Joe Maddon was infamous for things like that.

From the perspective of the Nats that was all Martinez, he brought that here.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2267 on: August 14, 2018, 11:24:09 am »
From the perspective of the Nats that was all Martinez, he brought that here.
If bringing camels and DJs into the clubhouse casued Tanner Roark and Bryce Harper to play like trash for half a season, perhaps we should re-think those players.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2268 on: August 14, 2018, 11:28:02 am »
It's fine if there are Martinez supporters or "it's not his fault." But, what has he shown since he's been here that, if given another opportunity, we'd be better? That he'd take the talent to the next level.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2269 on: August 14, 2018, 11:31:50 am »
Janes quote seems a bit out of context, Zuck has the whole quote:


Oh, I know the context. But you cannot ever say those words in the context of a struggling player and team. What a manager says to the media is largely irrelevant unless they say they're out of ideas or they throw players under the bus.

If bringing camels and DJs into the clubhouse casued Tanner Roark and Bryce Harper to play like trash for half a season, perhaps we should re-think those players.

:clap:

Sanity. crap like that is just people looking for a "tough guy" reason why Martinez has struggled.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2270 on: August 14, 2018, 11:32:16 am »
:clap:
If bringing camels and DJs into the clubhouse casued Tanner Roark and Bryce Harper to play like trash for half a season, perhaps we should re-think those players.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2271 on: August 14, 2018, 11:33:14 am »
It's fine if there are Martinez supporters or "it's not his fault." But, what has he shown since he's been here that, if given another opportunity, we'd be better? That he'd take the talent to the next level.

My counter-argument is that no one else has taken the talent to the next level.

Hasn't been here a full season, and we already have people wanting him fired because of camels and DJs.

Here's what happens if you fire Martinez: The Washington Nationals will never get a decent manager for all of the Lerners and Rizzo's tenure here. They will now have a reputation that will weigh on every potential candidate's mind. We will simply get the people who couldn't get a job anywhere else.

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Re: Fire Dave Martinez (2018)
« Reply #2272 on: August 14, 2018, 12:00:26 pm »
My counter-argument is that no one else has taken the talent to the next level.

Hasn't been here a full season, and we already have people wanting him fired because of camels and DJs.

Here's what happens if you fire Martinez: The Washington Nationals will never get a decent manager for all of the Lerners and Rizzo's tenure here. They will now have a reputation that will weigh on every potential candidate's mind. We will simply get the people who couldn't get a job anywhere else.

They already had that reputation, that's why they got Martinez in the first place. We crap on Dusty here, but in the rest of the baseball world he does garner respect. When you let him go after 2 90+ win seasons, baseball folks are going to think there is dysfunction in your organization. That reputation is already baked in, if you determine Martinez isn't the guy, dump him and move on. 

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« Reply #2274 on: August 14, 2018, 12:10:24 pm »