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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #100: December 12, 2018, 10:19:57 AM »
J.A. Happ to the Yanks. Maybe...

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #101: December 12, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »
JA Happ back to Yankees on “multi-year deal”

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #102: December 12, 2018, 11:33:20 AM »
Rich Hill got 3/$48 million. I wonder how Happ does compared to that.

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« Reply #103: December 12, 2018, 11:38:48 AM »
I hope the Phillies keep throwing money around like it is candy. No one in baseball wins titles by becoming offseason champions. Their farm system hasn't produced a ton of real talent so they've smartly looked to trades and if they sign Harper I hope they also sign someone like Kuechel to huge deals.

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« Reply #104: December 12, 2018, 11:56:31 AM »
I hope the Phillies keep throwing money around like it is candy. No one in baseball wins titles by becoming offseason champions. Their farm system hasn't produced a ton of real talent so they've smartly looked to trades and if they sign Harper I hope they also sign someone like Kuechel to huge deals.

Problem for Phillies is even to become a back-end contender, you need about 40 WAR on your roster. After Segura and McCutchen they're at about 33 WAR with a payroll of $125 million or so. To get to 40+ WAR, they'd probably have to sign Harper, Keuchel, and Yasmani Grandal. That would add about 12 WAR and replace 3 existing WAR on the roster. That might cost $65 million?

And all of a sudden you're a fringe contender with an aging roster.

It's really tough to build a contender without some homegrown superstars. Maybe their SP prospects will pan out and save them a little.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #105: December 12, 2018, 05:42:31 PM »
CHarlie Morton to the Ray 2 years $30 million.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #106: December 12, 2018, 07:25:39 PM »
Justin Bour signed with the Angels--so he is not coming to DC.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #107: December 12, 2018, 07:42:12 PM »
Justin Bour signed with the Angels--so he is not coming to DC.

Zuck noted the Nats aren't going after a LH/1B type and instead want someone who can play a variety of INF positions.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #108: December 13, 2018, 09:20:22 AM »
CHarlie Morton to the Ray 2 years $30 million.
I like this deal a lot more than the Lance Lynn to Texas signing. 

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« Reply #109: December 13, 2018, 09:30:47 AM »
I like this deal a lot more than the Lance Lynn to Texas signing.
LAC. They didn’t lose $10 million in salary to gain $15 million. They have their three aces. That’s all you need in the playoffs.  :hysterical:

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« Reply #110: December 13, 2018, 09:59:49 AM »
The Dodgers won't have to worry about facing Joe Kelly in the playoffs anymore, they just signed him to a 3 year $25 million deal.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #111: December 13, 2018, 10:52:41 AM »
LAC. They didn’t lose $10 million in salary to gain $15 million. They have their three aces. That’s all you need in the playoffs.  :hysterical:
and this has what to do with Charlie Morton to the Rays?

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #112: December 13, 2018, 10:55:13 AM »
The Dodgers won't have to worry about facing Joe Kelly in the playoffs anymore, they just signed him to a 3 year $25 million deal.
good for Joe!  This dude looked totally lost since he and Allen Craig were picked up for Lackey back in 2014. Had a real rough year until figuring it out down the stretch.  Almost didn't make the playoff roster. 5 years ago, could you imagine that kind of contract for a non-closer?

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« Reply #113: December 13, 2018, 10:58:48 AM »
good for Joe!  This dude looked totally lost since he and Allen Craig were picked up for Lackey back in 2014. Had a real rough year until figuring it out down the stretch.  Almost didn't make the playoff roster. 5 years ago, could you imagine that kind of contract for a non-closer?

he was absolutely dominating in the playoffs.

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« Reply #114: December 13, 2018, 10:59:32 AM »
and this has what to do with Charlie Morton to the Rays?
Nats went after Lynn at $10 million per year rather than Morton at $15 million per year.  The Lynn signing would have been a net break even with Roark leaving. Signing Morton would have been a 5 million net salary increase. Or in other words after signing Corbin the Nats are not going all in but rather trying to find some bargains. I think this generally fits the pattern that they will pay their top guys but want discounts on the rest of the roster. Roark would have been a dependable number four or five. But losing the salary was obviously the priority.

My bad for not noting that this was the non Nats discussion.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #115: December 13, 2018, 11:10:05 AM »
I wonder if this is the last move after all the "You're either with us or you're against us" stuff from last year. I wonder if there was still some hard feelings after the 2017 playoffs fiasco.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #116: December 13, 2018, 11:11:07 AM »
Nats went after Lynn at $10 million per year rather than Morton at $15 million per year.  The Lynn signing would have been a net break even with Roark leaving. Signing Morton would have been a 5 million net salary increase. Or in other words after signing Corbin the Nats are not going all in but rather trying to find some bargains. I think this generally fits the pattern that they will pay their top guys but want discounts on the rest of the roster. Roark would have been a dependable number four or five. But losing the salary was obviously the priority.
My comment about this being a better contract than the Lynn contract had nothing to do with "which would have been better for the Nats had they been involved?"  It had more to do with my low regard for Lance Lynn and respect for Charlie Morton, and was not Nats specific.  Also, given the budgets and competitive position, it's interesting that a team with a very low budget went for Morton at the higher AAV than Lynn. 

Since you put it in Nats context, I would have wanted them to be in on Morton on this kind of contract regardless of the Roark deal.  More or less, after Corbin, Keuchel, and Happ, Morton may have been the best FA pitcher for the short term, and he's not making anywhere near as much.  Lynn and Miley are a completely different class and should be paid less.

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« Reply #117: December 13, 2018, 11:15:21 AM »
My comment about this being a better contract than the Lynn contract had nothing to do with "which would have been better for the Nats had they been involved?"  It had more to do with my low regard for Lance Lynn and respect for Charlie Morton, and was not Nats specific.  Also, given the budgets and competitive position, it's interesting that a team with a very low budget went for Morton at the higher AAV than Lynn. 

Since you put it in Nats context, I would have wanted them to be in on Morton on this kind of contract regardless of the Roark deal.  More or less, after Corbin, Keuchel, and Happ, Morton may have been the best FA pitcher for the short term, and he's not making anywhere near as much.  Lynn and Miley are a completely different class and should be paid less.
Yea. Sorry. I thought that this was the Nats discussion. Please don’t ban me.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #118: December 13, 2018, 12:08:15 PM »
Yea. Sorry. I thought that this was the Nats discussion. Please don’t ban me.
The Chief does the banning.  I just occasionally mute folks for a day.  I'm the linesman here.  The Chief is more like the NHL front office.

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« Reply #119: December 13, 2018, 12:19:05 PM »
The Chief does the banning.  I just occasionally mute folks for a day.  I'm the linesman here.  The Chief is more like the NHL front office.

And spider is the Tom Wilson?  :)

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« Reply #120: December 13, 2018, 12:55:37 PM »
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #121: December 14, 2018, 05:26:43 PM »
Ian Kinsler to the Padres on a 2 year deal.  Today's reminder, folks, that there are only 30 MLB GM jobs and one of them is still held by AJ Preller.

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« Reply #122: December 14, 2018, 07:05:08 PM »
Ian Kinsler to the Padres on a 2 year deal.  Today's reminder, folks, that there are only 30 MLB GM jobs and one of them is still held by AJ Preller.

I mean, its 8 million per. For a 2 WAR player, that's not terrible.

It's not like giving Strasburg 175 million

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #123: December 16, 2018, 05:03:07 PM »
Wilson Ramos to Mets, per Rosenthal. The market for Realmuto keeps shrinking.

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« Reply #124: December 16, 2018, 07:02:08 PM »
Wilson Ramos to Mets, per Rosenthal. The market for Realmuto keeps shrinking.

2 years, 20 million :shock: