Author Topic: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves (Read 117987 times)

UMDNats · « **Reply #1200 on:** January 15, 2019, 11:20:29 am »

Quote from: Slateman on January 15, 2019, 11:19:10 am

We had two of those already though

Difo has little to no upside and Kendrick is closer to retirement than being an everyday 2B.

Trea Burner · « **Reply #1201 on:** January 15, 2019, 11:36:54 am »

Quote from: rileyn on January 15, 2019, 07:34:28 am

That's kinda the name of the game. All of these off-season moves for, every team, are gambles. Some pay off, some flame out.

Sure, but more so for the older guys who have shown some decline. Dozier and Sanchez are bigger gambles in the sense that they have already demonstrated that they may be washed up.

Squab · « **Reply #1202 on:** January 15, 2019, 11:38:43 am »

Quote from: Slateman on January 15, 2019, 11:19:10 am

We had two of those already though

Dozier's batter WAR ranks if he'd been on the Nationals:
2014: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2016: 1st
2017: 2nd

Last year dude had a nagging injury, he's going into his age 32 season, which isn't dead yet.

On a 1 year deal, with potential to be one of the best hitters on the team, for 9 million. You take that gamble every single day. A completely different animal to Howie or Difo.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #1203 on:** January 15, 2019, 11:45:51 am »

Quote from: Squab on January 15, 2019, 11:38:43 am

Dozier's batter WAR ranks if he'd been on the Nationals:
2014: 3rd
2015: 2nd
2016: 1st
2017: 2nd

Last year dude had a nagging injury, he's going into his age 32 season, which isn't dead yet.

On a 1 year deal, with potential to be one of the best hitters on the team, for 9 million. You take that gamble every single day. A completely different animal to Howie or Difo.

Yeah, I don't get the hate here. Dude had one bad year at 31, during which he was supposedly hurt. Jayson Werth had a similarly bad year at 32 and then OPSed .827, .931, and .849 the next three years. 31 isn't 35.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #1204 on:** January 15, 2019, 11:56:04 am »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on January 15, 2019, 11:45:51 am

Yeah, I don't get the hate here. Dude had one bad year at 31, during which he was supposedly hurt. Jayson Werth had a similarly bad year at 32 and then OPSed .827, .931, and .849 the next three years. 31 isn't 35.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1205 on:** January 15, 2019, 02:03:50 pm »

I honestly completely forgot that AJ Pollock was a free agent and unsigned (and wanting a big contract) and Dallas Keuchel is still out there.

Trea Burner · « **Reply #1206 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:23:28 pm »

https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/1085587294730502147?s=21

bluestreak · « **Reply #1207 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:29:40 pm »

Quote from: Trea Burner on January 16, 2019, 12:23:28 pm

https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/1085587294730502147?s=21

If 10 years 175 million is really what is Manny's highest offer, even the Nats should consider getting in on that.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1208 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:34:23 pm »

That sounds like an agent sharing the first offer the CHW made in an effort to get more teams to jump in.

varoadking · « **Reply #1209 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:37:41 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on January 16, 2019, 12:29:40 pm

If 10 years 175 million is really what is Manny's highest offer, even the Nats should consider getting in on that.

It said 7 years $175MM when I clicked the link...

bluestreak · « **Reply #1210 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:41:01 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on January 16, 2019, 12:37:41 pm

It said 7 years $175MM when I clicked the link...

You're right. My statement still applies though. $25 million a year seems quite low. Ridiculously so, even.

varoadking · « **Reply #1211 on:** January 16, 2019, 12:44:27 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on January 16, 2019, 12:41:01 pm

You're right. My statement still applies though. $25 million a year seems quite low. Ridiculously so, even.

I was reading a summary of WAR "value" vs what Owners perceive as added value from elite players. The said the Owners equate each win over replacement at $1.5MM in added revenue.

It was on my google news feed and I didn't capture it, but if it wasn't some kid in his mom's basement that wrote it, it does perhaps shed some light on the current state of negotiations.

nfotiu · « **Reply #1212 on:** January 16, 2019, 01:02:08 pm »

I wonder if Machado hurt himself by moving to short stop. I don't see a good time wanting to use him there, as he's not very good at it. He makes it complicated by making it seem like he'd pout going back to 3rd base too. That combined with his late season antics probably dropped him out of the super elite free agent category.

That tweet also makes me think that the Nats 300 million offer to Harper might be by the far the highest on the table. Sports economics are due for a correction for a lot of reasons, and ironically MLB owners have more ability to control salary vs the fixed cap linked to revenue share leagues. Free agency salaries have really taken a hit these last couple years as owners wise up to the fact that is not the best way to spend your money and aren't that confident about future revenue streams.

Truconfidence · « **Reply #1213 on:** January 16, 2019, 01:04:25 pm »

yeah if thats Machados highest offer, it means the Nats must have the highest offer on Harper. Also means the Phillies arent willing to outspend everyone as Nightengale says they are.

hotshot · « **Reply #1214 on:** January 16, 2019, 01:35:22 pm »

Quote from: Truconfidence on January 16, 2019, 01:04:25 pm

yeah if thats Machados highest offer, it means the Nats must have the highest offer on Harper. Also means the Phillies arent willing to outspend everyone as Nightengale says they are.

Would mean Nats have highest offer on Bryce and oughta think hard about lowering it.

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #1215 on:** January 16, 2019, 02:35:31 pm »

I'm betting that's why Mark Lerner said it was off the table at this point.

Quote from: hotshot on January 16, 2019, 01:35:22 pm

Would mean Nats have highest offer on Bryce and oughta think hard about lowering it.

varoadking · « **Reply #1216 on:** January 16, 2019, 05:23:54 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on January 16, 2019, 12:29:40 pm

If 10 years 175 million is really what is Manny's highest offer, even the Nats should consider getting in on that.

His agent says this report is bullcrap...

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #1217 on:** January 16, 2019, 05:43:02 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on January 16, 2019, 05:23:54 pm

His agent says this report is bullcrap...

What else is he going to say? It seems to me that the agent's response in this case would be pretty much the same whether it was true or false.

hotshot · « **Reply #1218 on:** January 16, 2019, 05:55:24 pm »

JD Martinez signed in late February. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case with Machado and Harper too.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1219 on:** January 16, 2019, 06:21:48 pm »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on January 16, 2019, 05:43:02 pm

What else is he going to say? It seems to me that the agent's response in this case would be pretty much the same whether it was true or false.

What I read was 7 years at 25 million each year. Or 175 million. Not ten years.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/white-sox-offer-manny-machado-seven-years-175-million.html

I mentioned this a while back but the players wanting ten years with multiple opt outs just doesn’t make sense for teams. Why commit on your end totally to a guy and give him all the options.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1220 on:** January 16, 2019, 06:45:13 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on January 16, 2019, 12:37:41 pm

It said 7 years $175MM when I clicked the link...

Didn’t see your response when I posted mine. Yes. Other places also have it at 7 years.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1221 on:** January 16, 2019, 06:46:19 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on January 16, 2019, 05:55:24 pm

JD Martinez signed in late February. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case with Machado and Harper too.

Do you think others will start signing before then? Like AJ Pollack. Seems that the agents do a disservice to their other clients by letting the big guns wait.

varoadking · « **Reply #1222 on:** January 16, 2019, 07:59:01 pm »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on January 16, 2019, 05:43:02 pm

What else is he going to say? It seems to me that the agent's response in this case would be pretty much the same whether it was true or false.

What did Boras say about our offer of $300MM/10 to Royce?

Seems the wise play is to say nothing at all...

Expos · « **Reply #1223 on:** January 17, 2019, 12:05:13 am »

Scott Copeland signed. He could be this years version of Jeremy Hellickson.

9W-7L with a 3.43 ERA in 22 starts in AAA last year.
126 IP, 100 KO, 44 BB, 1.389 WHIP

Decent depth player.

Slateman · « **Reply #1224 on:** January 17, 2019, 03:05:25 am »

Quote from: Expos on January 17, 2019, 12:05:13 am

Scott Copeland signed. He could be this years version of Jeremy Hellickson.

9W-7L with a 3.43 ERA in 22 starts in AAA last year.
126 IP, 100 KO, 44 BB, 1.389 WHIP

Decent depth player.

Except Hellickson was actually decent at the MLB level . . .