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He should put a lid on the clown nose crap until he can get himself promoted out of the 9 hole of the worst lineup in the majors.

I loved it. Hated Davey talking crap about him in the press.

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Victor Robles having 0.8 fWAR stuns me.

Trade asset!

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Looking back at the 2007 team stats, I noticed Nook Logan, who hit better than Robles. Is Nook a sane comparison? Or did I mix that margarita a little too strong?

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Looking back at the 2007 team stats, I noticed Nook Logan, who hit better than Robles. Is Nook a sane comparison? Or did I mix that margarita a little too strong?

Too strong, maybe, but they're at least the same type of thing even if Robles is definitely better. Different offensive eras - Robles' career numbers are better when the metrics are normalized for that (basically, his OPS+ is higher).  And there's no comparison on defense.  Robles is a legitimate major league CF with a good arm, whereas Logan had a pool noodle attached to his shoulder and spent much of his time out there trying to outrun his bad reads.

Yes, there are similarities - especially the good speed coupled with crap-for-brains baserunning - but the season Robles is having right now would be the best of Logan's career when offense and defense are both factored in.  And Robles did have one legitimately good season, which Logan never did.

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I was pretty surprised when I saw Vic has 1.1 bWAR this season. At an 82 OPS+ and back to good defense he's probably worth keeping around another year.

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I was pretty surprised when I saw Vic has 1.1 bWAR this season. At an 82 OPS+ and back to good defense he's probably worth keeping around another year.
My blood pressure cannot allow for watching him another year.

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My blood pressure cannot allow for watching him another year.

I'll be OK since I don't watch the team, like, at all these days :lmao:

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Too strong, maybe, but they're at least the same type of thing even if Robles is definitely better. Different offensive eras - Robles' career numbers are better when the metrics are normalized for that (basically, his OPS+ is higher).  And there's no comparison on defense.  Robles is a legitimate major league CF with a good arm, whereas Logan had a pool noodle attached to his shoulder and spent much of his time out there trying to outrun his bad reads.

Yes, there are similarities - especially the good speed coupled with crap-for-brains baserunning - but the season Robles is having right now would be the best of Logan's career when offense and defense are both factored in.  And Robles did have one legitimately good season, which Logan never did.

Robles is definitely a better fielder than Nook, and has a better arm, but Victor's dopey throw to third yesterday gave me heart-burn. And the Nookster had a career OPS+ of 77, while Vic's is about 83...not a huge difference.

Mostly, I was looking at the wreckage of 2007, and I was shocked even to think that Robles might be a bit like Nook Logan.

The 2012 Nats: "That's a clown question, bro". The 2022 Nats: There's a clown playing CF.

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Batting leadoff tonight

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Batting leadoff tonight
For this team, it's the perfect spot for a #9 hitter.

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Charlie Slowes must see many similarities between Nook Logan and Robles.


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Batting leadoff tonight
For this team, it's the perfect spot for a #9 hitter.
Somehow this is working ....?

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Victor Robles July: 56 PAs: .289   .327   .404, 5 SBs, 2 HRs, has hit safely in 11 of 17 games.

Starting to look a lot more like the 2019 Victor Robles.

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Victor Robles July: 56 PAs: .289   .327   .404, 5 SBs, 2 HRs, has hit safely in 11 of 17 games.

Starting to look a lot more like the 2019 Victor Robles.
Two of his hitless games were in the 1st half of the month when he was pinch hit for after 5 innings or defensive sub. in the 8 games he's played after 7/14, he's gone hitless twice.

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Robles has become a definite "maybe".

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Two of his hitless games were in the 1st half of the month when he was pinch hit for after 5 innings or defensive sub. in the 8 games he's played after 7/14, he's gone hitless twice.

The hitless games I can tolerate.  The witless games, less so.  Unless an X-Gene mutation occurs soon where his new superpower is not being completely ignorant on how to play baseball, I'll assume he's just on a small hot streak. 

I used up all my patience on Danny Espinosa years ago.

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I can think of 29 other MLB teams he'd be just great for... ;)

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Can't teach Robles to throw to the right base. Can't teach Robles to run the bases. Can't teach Robles to hit major-league pitching. Play him sparingly the rest of the year. Next year, let him start in Rochester as the Nats' 5th or 6th OF.

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Game winning hit last night.

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Still hitting beans. Find a CF who throws to the right base and hits .235 or .240.

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Still hitting beans. Find a CF who throws to the right base and hits .235 or .240.
It's funny / peculiar, but while most players in the majors have been under performing their "x-stats" (projections based on type of contact and other factors) this year, Vic is actually getting better results than you'd expect from the poor quality of his contact.

wOBA - .270, xwOBA - .247.
BA - .231, xBA- .203
SLG - .315, xSLG - .280

Average and SLG overperformance line up.   WE more or less have a real-life, everyday Mario Mendoza lining up in CF, and he leads off most of the time.  I guess Davey, perhaps at Rizzo's urging, is letting him sink or swim for now until the end of the season by giving him extra at bats.  I'll be curious whether they immediately put Abrams leadoff and Robles 9th, or whether they hold off and let Abrams get adjusted first.

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I think the issue is that he is still having poor quality of contact. This was a dude who was scouted as having 60 and 70 grade hit tool, and his quality of contact has at barely above the Medoza Line

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Still hitting beans. Find a CF who throws to the right base and hits .235 or .240.
Victor Robles is capable of decent stretches.

But this team would have more wins right now with boring Andrew Stevenson struggling at the plate while playing an underwhelming but error free CF and on the basepaths taking the extra base when possible but not running into outs.