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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2018, 03:42:47 pm »
He's worn out from getting too many plate appearances in spring training.   


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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2018, 04:03:56 pm »
Unfortunately Adams isn’t doing much better. 


Adams has an OPS that is more than double Mr. 0-4.

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« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2018, 04:32:46 pm »
Adam LaRoche, Adam Lind, just get some guy with Adam in his name at first.
As it is now there is no offense other than Rendon  an Eaton.....yeah yeah but Bryce only hits those Homers with the bases empty......Zimm dead bat.....Taylor dead bat.....Montero dead bat.....Pitcher dead bat.....Marmalarde dead... Womer dead.....

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2018, 05:07:55 pm »
Spider’s package has got lost in the mail...

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2018, 08:00:22 pm »
not counting tonight (he just had another hard hit ball), he's hitting .105 on balls in play.

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« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2018, 08:06:52 pm »
not counting tonight (he just had another hard hit ball), he's hitting .105 on balls in play.

How can that be if his BA is .111 and he has 7 K's...not including tonight, of course...


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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2018, 08:15:37 pm »
How can that be if his BA is .111 and he has 7 K's...not including tonight, of course...



not sure.  I'm looking at https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zimmery01-bat.shtml and they show BABiP at .105 (before tonight).  The stat does subtract out HRs, which in Zimm's case is 1/3rd of his hits.

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« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2018, 08:22:07 pm »
not sure.  I'm looking at https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zimmery01-bat.shtml and they show BABiP at .105 (before tonight).  The stat does subtract out HRs, which in Zimm's case is 1/3rd of his hits.

They use plate appearances and not AB's to calculate BABIP also...

...it's just another useless stat, IMHO...

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« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2018, 08:29:46 pm »
They use plate appearances and not AB's to calculate BABIP also...

...it's just another useless stat, IMHO...

? BABIP = (H – HR)/(AB – K – HR + SF)

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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2018, 08:30:36 pm »
? BABIP = (H – HR)/(AB – K – HR + SF)

:shock:     Dayum, algebra.

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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2018, 08:30:39 pm »
? BABIP = (H – HR)/(AB – K – HR + SF)

Meaningless mumbo-jumbo...

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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2018, 08:32:48 pm »
:shock:     Dayum, algebra.

https://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/babip/ Is it still a stat people focus on, I still don’t know what it’s supposed to tell you about a player

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2018, 08:45:07 pm »
https://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/babip/ Is it still a stat people focus on, I still don’t know what it’s supposed to tell you about a player

I wasn't firin' on you HS.    However, everytime I see addition, multiplication, etc. and letters, I revert to 8th grade trauma.    It boggles my mind that all that can tell me something about a ball player.

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2018, 11:31:15 pm »
https://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/babip/ Is it still a stat people focus on, I still don’t know what it’s supposed to tell you about a player

I’m going to try to explain it in simple terms, but please forgive me if I screw up. It was originally meant to assess pitchers. It removes the plate appearances that are totally in a pitchers control (walk, strikeouts and home runs) and assesses the PAs that depend on other factors, namely batted balls that are in play. By looking at only these and comparing them to the league average (about .300) you can assess whether a pitcher is the victim of either bad luck or bad defense. So a BABIP that’s significantly above average for a pitcher means that many factors that are outside of his control are causing his stats to be worse and you should expect them to improve as luck evens out. The reverse is true for a pitcher that allows a BABIP below average. You should expect stats to worsen as his good luck runs out. Obvious exceptions to this are 1)defense- a bad defense won’t necessarily get better over time and 2) a pitcher that allows a lot of hard contact- hard contact makes balls harder to field. Also since line drives go for hits more often than other batted balls, a pitcher that gives up lots of hard hit balls, and especially line drives will have a high BABIP regardless of luck. So you have to look at the type of pitcher when you evaluate BABIP.

It works the same way for hitters. If a hitter has a BABIP significantly higher than league average, you might expect some regression because he may be getting lucky. If it’s lower, maybe he’s getting unlucky. The caveats for hitters are 1) hard contact- hard hit balls are more likely to go for hits. So a hitter that hits the ball hard tends to have a higher BABIP and 2) speed- a very fast runner will be able to leg out more hits.

So we can use the example of Michael Taylor. Some folks expect regression this year because he had a high BABIP (.363) last year. This implies he was getting lucky and can’t sustain his production. But he hits the ball hard and is quite fast, so that may account for some of the high BABIP, so only time will tell. For what it’s worth, his BABIP is .263 so far this season implying his slow start may be due to a bit of bad luck, but again, only time will tell.

I hope this makes sense.

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2018, 06:43:33 am »
Thanks, Blue. That was very helpful.

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« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2018, 06:47:44 am »
Harper blamed his 2016 off year on having Zimmerman bat behind him, he is not going to like this lack of protection in his contract year. No one is going to give Bryce anything to hit.

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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2018, 07:30:40 am »
Right now the pitcher would complain if Zimmerman batted behind him.

I see a conspiracy theory brewing because big Ted wants to keep Harper's numbers down to suppress Harper's  value

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2018, 07:45:26 am »


Adams has an OPS that is more than double Mr. 0-4.

And Adams will be better if he plays more often. And pending Murph, he should.

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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2018, 07:50:31 am »
Harper blamed his 2016 off year on having Zimmerman bat behind him, he is not going to like this lack of protection in his contract year. No one is going to give Bryce anything to hit.
Right now the pitcher would complain if Zimmerman batted behind him.

I see a conspiracy theory brewing because big Ted wants to keep Harper's numbers down to suppress Harper's  value
Who did he having hitting behind him in 2015?

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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2018, 07:57:37 am »
Harper blamed his 2016 off year on having Zimmerman bat behind him, he is not going to like this lack of protection in his contract year. No one is going to give Bryce anything to hit.
I haven't read or heard that from anyone or source. Where did you see that or hear that. Harper wouldn't throw Zim under the bus like that.

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« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2018, 08:00:06 am »
I haven't read or heard that from anyone or source. Where did you see that or hear that. Harper wouldn't throw Zim under the bus like that.

It's the perfect illustration of a mindfact

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« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2018, 08:29:45 am »
I haven't read or heard that from anyone or source. Where did you see that or hear that. Harper wouldn't throw Zim under the bus like that.

I'll look it up when I get the chance. It was before last season, when he was giving evasive answers for why he slumped after his MVP season. There was speculation that he had been injured, but he denied injury and complained about lack of protection behind him in the line up.

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« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2018, 08:34:25 am »
I'll look it up when I get the chance. It was before last season, when he was giving evasive answers for why he slumped after his MVP season. There was speculation that he had been injured, but he denied injury and complained about lack of protection behind him in the line up.
Excuses are for losers. His swing was all messed up. He almost fell down every time he swung. That really has nothing to do with Zimmerman although he sucked that year too. Also Maddon got in his head and he was never the same after that. I looked it up and RZ played 115 games. So there were some different lineups there.

I think many of us wanted a different lineup in 2015 but your guy Dusty would never change it. We also wanted Rendon moved up last year but he kept him at 6. Give it another week and then Martinez will make changes. He is not wed to the same lineup every day like the old school managers.

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2018, 08:35:02 am »
I'll look it up when I get the chance. It was before last season, when he was giving evasive answers for why he slumped after his MVP season. There was speculation that he had been injured, but he denied injury and complained about lack of protection behind him in the line up.
He's a bit too full of himself for me to warm to. But so was the Babe. And the mangler should be able to see he needs a slugger behind him. Howie, Rendon, Adams, anybody...

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Re: Where is Ryan Zimmerman helping/hurting us? (2018)
« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2018, 09:03:32 am »
ST 2017 Zimmerman played games regularly and could not hit the ball in those games to save his life. When the season started his bat was on fire.

Right now he is just in spring training mode. His decision was joined in by the manager and now the team pays for it. I am sure other vets would have liked to take the spring off. Managers who set double standards are starting trouble imho.