Author Topic: 2018 bullpen (Read 44351 times)

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #300 on:** May 16, 2018, 09:41:18 am »

Quote from: Slateman on May 16, 2018, 09:18:47 am

Can someone please tell me why people were even remotely interested in Wander Suero? He doesn't have swing and miss stuff and he walks a crap ton of batters.

Seems a little harsh for a guy who has a zero ERA. I'm willing to give him a few more innings, especially considering the alternatives. He's obviously not god's gift to pitching, but he's not Gott's gift to pitching either.

dcpatti · « **Reply #301 on:** May 16, 2018, 09:52:57 am »

Suero has some ridiculous movement on some of his pitches, and he has a ton of confidence. He's only pitched 4 innings in the majors and started the season on the DL so I'm willing to give him more time to see if he can get into a groove.

Slateman · « **Reply #302 on:** May 16, 2018, 09:54:21 am »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on May 16, 2018, 09:41:18 am

Seems a little harsh for a guy who has a zero ERA. I'm willing to give him a few more innings, especially considering the alternatives. He's obviously not god's gift to pitching, but he's not Gott's gift to pitching either.

He and Gott have remarkably similar peripherals. Unless someone can specifically point to something he does that induces a ton of weak contact, I think his ERA is simply luck at this point.

Mattionals · « **Reply #303 on:** May 16, 2018, 10:48:15 am »

Quote from: Slateman on May 16, 2018, 09:54:21 am

He and Gott have remarkably similar peripherals. Unless someone can specifically point to something he does that induces a ton of weak contact, I think his ERA is simply luck at this point.

Gott is a sinkerballer and Suero throws cutters?

Are cutters still regarded as better than sinkers? My understanding is that a sinker *should* induce better groundball contact, but can still end up being hard hit, whereas cutters will likely miss the sweet spot of the bat and may not end up as groundballs, but are less likely to be hit hard.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #304 on:** May 16, 2018, 10:49:54 am »

Quote from: Slateman on May 16, 2018, 09:54:21 am

He and Gott have remarkably similar peripherals. Unless someone can specifically point to something he does that induces a ton of weak contact, I think his ERA is simply luck at this point.

He and Gott were on the same team for much of last year, and the numbers aren't really that close except for the K/BB ratio, and even there Suero has the advantage:

Suero: 42.1 innings, 33 hits, 8 ER, 14 BB, 42K (1.70 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 7 H/9, 3.0 K/BB)
Gott: 37.1 innings, 39 hits, 16 ER, 13 BB, 35 K (3.86 ERA, 1.39 WHIP, 9.4 H/9, 2.69 K/BB)

I haven't seen enough of either to say it confidently, but it looks to me that Suero's fastball moves a lot more than Gott's - which looks too straight. I'm concerned that he doesn't really have an out pitch, though. It's a bit early to tell, so we'll see.

Squab · « **Reply #305 on:** May 16, 2018, 11:14:17 am »

Suero was filthy disgusting in spring training. We haven't really seen that same breaking ball in the majors yet. He's basically just throwing the cutter 85% of the time.

Slateman · « **Reply #306 on:** May 16, 2018, 11:23:32 am »

Quote from: Squab on May 16, 2018, 11:14:17 am

Suero was filthy disgusting in spring training. We haven't really seen that same breaking ball in the majors yet. He's basically just throwing the cutter 85% of the time.

It helps when you're pitching against guys who will be in Double A next week.

Ray D · « **Reply #307 on:** May 16, 2018, 12:24:56 pm »

Quote from: Mattionals on May 16, 2018, 10:48:15 am

Are cutters still regarded as better than sinkers?

To me, a pitch that moves vertically is better than a pitch that moves horizontally.

Expos · « **Reply #308 on:** May 20, 2018, 02:52:23 am »

After Doolittles implosion tonight we are at 11 games blown/lost by the pen.

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #309 on:** May 20, 2018, 10:02:58 am »

Inconvenient truth......AL Bore

The bullpen is going to be bad all season.
Solis is horrible as is Got but they are the best we have and Kinsler has lost it or been ruined.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #310 on:** May 20, 2018, 11:05:58 am »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on May 20, 2018, 10:02:58 am

Inconvenient truth......AL Bore

The bullpen is going to be bad all season.
Solis is horrible as is Got but they are the best we have and Kinsler has lost it or been ruined.

The law firm over performed ( Ray D) last year and the remainder sucks. Rizzo better perform his magic and not wait until July as the Barves and Phillies are much improved.

imref · « **Reply #311 on:** May 20, 2018, 02:41:46 pm »

Doolittle says he blew the sign on the pitch to Kemp

hotshot · « **Reply #312 on:** May 20, 2018, 04:44:26 pm »

Solis, Suero, Kelley -- not major league pitchers.

RichMinSC · « **Reply #313 on:** May 20, 2018, 05:09:41 pm »

Quote from: hotshot on May 20, 2018, 04:44:26 pm

Solis, Suero, Kelley -- not major league pitchers.

add Gott to that list

RichMinSC · « **Reply #314 on:** May 20, 2018, 05:11:45 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on May 20, 2018, 11:05:58 am

The law firm over performed ( Ray D) last year and the remainder sucks. Rizzo better perform his magic and not wait until July as the Barves and Phillies are much improved.

the Truer question is what will rizzo get for Harper, doolittle and Madsen at the deadline and Murphy and Wieters if they are back SELL SELL SELL

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #315 on:** May 20, 2018, 06:33:22 pm »

Right now for Harper....not much.......unless a team is in need of an indifferent strike out specialist

hotshot · « **Reply #316 on:** May 20, 2018, 08:19:04 pm »

Quote from: RichMinSC on May 20, 2018, 05:09:41 pm

add Gott to that list

Gott was already on my "Not a AAA pitcher" list.

imref · « **Reply #317 on:** May 20, 2018, 10:15:23 pm »

Tim collins, come on up!

Vega · « **Reply #318 on:** May 20, 2018, 11:39:00 pm »

Quote from: imref on May 20, 2018, 10:15:23 pm

Tim collins, come on up!

Nice to see the hobbit race finally represented on the Nats.

Expos · « **Reply #319 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:03:24 am »

So apparently Ryan Madsen will be back this weekend and Matt Grace won't be far behind. So who gets sent down?

Sean Doolittle
Brandon Kintzler
Sammy Solis
Shawn Kelly
Trevor Gott
Justin Miller
Tim Collins
Wander Suero

Justin Miller and Tim Collins have pitched well so far but one will have to be sent down. Suero is probably the other one. Maybe keep both Miller and Collins up and send Gott and Suero down?

It seems we may finally have our bullpen rounding into shape. They have all pitched well lately.

dcpatti · « **Reply #320 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:09:39 am »

Since Gott and Suero have options left, they'll almost surely be the first ones down; you can always recall them if someone else is injured or really stinks. Otherwise, someone would have to be DFA'ed, and there isn't anyone bad enough currently to be a real candidate for DFA. The jury is still out on Shawn Kelley but the Nats are going to give him every possible chance.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #321 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:10:56 am »

Unless they DFA Kelley, I think it's Gott and Suero that get moved down.

tomterp · « **Reply #322 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:13:36 am »

Miller's looking stout.

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #323 on:** May 30, 2018, 10:20:11 am »

Quote from: tomterp on May 30, 2018, 10:13:36 am

Miller's looking stout.

Which is better than Miller Lite

Expos · « **Reply #324 on:** June 08, 2018, 11:22:59 pm »

Brandon Kintzler is terrible. At this point he should be the 1st guy to go once we need to lower our BP numbers.

That is all