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Online PowerBoater69

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Sean Doolittle is warming in a game that Nats led 12-1. What a shame. This is absolutely ridiculous. This has nothing to do with the manager by the way. This bullpen has completely imploded.

Offline Slateman

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Max Scherzer is up 12-1 after six and still in the game. Fire Dave Martinez.

You were saying?

Offline rileyn

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These lousy ass relievers sure could help their manager out once in a while.  This games moves fast enough for Davey as it is, now he has crap for a bullpen that he has to deal with. 

Offline DCFan

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Dave doesn’t look like a guy who just won 2 out of 3.

As I've said I'm not a Davey fan but there's not much of anything he can do to make this pen better. At some point someone (or several guys) not named Sean Doolittle will have to get consistent outs in the late innings.

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You were saying?

Davey Johnson used to run his relievers out to get shelled. If they were in the pen they were pitching. Put the pressure on the GM and ownership to upgrade instead of burning out the guys who were performing. Why should the manager stress out? The guys who aren't performing and the guy who signed them can feel the pressure.

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Davey Johnson used to run his relievers out to get shelled. If they were in the pen they were pitching. Put the pressure on the GM and ownership to upgrade instead of burning out the guys who were performing. Why should the manager stress out? The guys who aren't performing and the guy who signed them can feel the pressure.

Maybe Martinez actually gives a crap about winning. Pretty obvious Davey Johnson didnt know crap about managing a pen

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Maybe Martinez actually gives a crap about winning. Pretty obvious Davey Johnson didnt know crap about managing a pen

Fail fast, better to expose weakness in order to get them corrected than to work around them and cause bigger problems.

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Fail fast, better to expose weakness in order to get them corrected than to work around them and cause bigger problems.

You're right. Clearly Rizzo cant evaluate in-field performance

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You're right. Clearly Rizzo cant evaluate in-field performance

I wouldn't assume anything with Rizzo. Only reason to hold on to Martinez at this point is to allow a new GM to pick his own manager.

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Dozier batting 2nd again tonight. :(

Offline rileyn

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Boswell has been murdering Davey lately:

Q: Da Nats Bullpen
Is it ok to panic now, or do we wait until the Phillies score 5 plus runs in each 8th inning?

A: Thomas Boswell
You don't have to panic. The manager is already doing that for you. I got an e-mail from a nice fan this a.m. who said "I don't know that much about baseball," then he gave a perfect analysis of Martinez' three questionable decisions on Sunday.

Why was Scherzer sent out for the 7th inning?

He had been hit by a liner in the 5th. At 83 pitches, with 12-1 lead, give him an easy start. Only bad things can happen by leaving him in. Max got one out, was charged with three earned runs. Ended at 100 pitches. This is a case of: You Asked For It.

Why not use Joe Ross, just up from minors and a starter by trade, to start the 7th or 8th inning. No pressure. Huge lead. Why the 9th? It's not a save situation. But it is totally unfamiliar to him. He gave up 3 runs, got hooked, Doolittle had to get last two ours.

If Rosenthal is such a key to bullpen, then why have such a quick hook with him, show little confidence, risk showing him up and embarrassing  him. He had a ONE-PITCH outing earlier. On Sunday on the mound, he was begging for another hitter in his two batter outing. Why not give it to him?

If a fan who doesn't even claim to be a fan sees this many decisions which go against the obvious ways of baseball thinking, what must other (like players) think?

Martinez gave a very strong post-game press conference after the Nats hideous 9-8 walk-off win vs Phils on Wednesday. That's a big position in my book for him. But major league managers have tended to be catchers (who work with pitchers constantly) or middle infielders, plus a few ex-pitchers. OR they have managing EXPERIENCE somewhere in pro ball where they learned to habndle pitch, run a bullpen. The Nats hired Martinez with ZERO games as a manager, not even in the minors. "Pitchers" have never been his job. He's probably actually doing a good job of learning on the fly. But why did the Nats hire a manager who NEEDED to learn about handling a pitching staff on the fly at the big-league level?

It's way too early to do anything crazy. EXCEPT for the bullpen, many things have gone right. You MUST show  patience. It is ridiculous to think that FIVE pitchers can all have ERA's of at least 13.50 and that, combined, Rosenthal, Seuro, Grace, Ross and Sipp have given up 23 earned runs in 8 1/3 innings. That's an ERA of 24.84.

Normal for them would be 3.84. The other half of the question is: How will the Nats look when they perform even semi-normally?

— APR 08, 2019 11:23 AM

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I agree with the Scherzer move - should have sent Ross out then rather than the 9th - but Rosenthal was totally lost yesterday. Who cares if he wanted another batter? He was unpitchable.

Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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I don't think he planned to pitch Ross at all aside after flying cross-country...then he had to. 

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I agree with everything above.

Offline UMDNats

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I don't think he planned to pitch Ross at all aside after flying cross-country...then he had to. 

That was my original thinking - that he wasn't expecting to use him to spare him - so I can get not using him after Scherzer. The Ross move is definitely an "in theory" move that we can say from up here but aren't privy to how he was feeling or that Dave wanted to spare him the action after the flight. AAA Fresno already freaking us.

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I agree with the Scherzer move - should have sent Ross out then rather than the 9th - but Rosenthal was totally lost yesterday. Who cares if he wanted another batter? He was unpitchable.

I think you bring Rosenthal in for the seventh. Then he gets to pitch for more than two batters. Once Grace gave up that homer, it became much higher leverage. Who cares if he gives up five runs at that point.

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Yeah, I think the biggest issue was letting Max out for the 7th. Rosenthal going out there then would make sense. I was really surprised Martinez sent Max back out there, I suspect he felt he could squeeze 3 more outs of him and not have to use the bullpen for more than 6 outs. Oh well.

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Yeah, I think the biggest issue was letting Max out for the 7th. Rosenthal going out there then would make sense. I was really surprised Martinez sent Max back out there, I suspect he felt he could squeeze 3 more outs of him and not have to use the bullpen for more than 6 outs. Oh well.

I suspect Max wanted to go out. All the data they had plus conversation with Max = Max back out.

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Kind of doubting that what inning they pitch in is going to make a lick of difference. Garbage is garbage. Putting it out two days after collection doesnt magically make it stink less.

Offline Air Desmond

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86-85 as a manager. How much longer can this be tolerated? Need to act fast before 4-5 turns into another 82-80 season. Nothing has changed from last year.

Pretty funny that the Nats fired Dusty because he couldn’t get it done in the playoffs. The Nats won’t sniff the playoffs with Davey in charge.

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Dave Martinez is terrible. Our roster is terrible but he doesn't make it any better.

Nats window doesn't exist any more.

Offline Air Desmond

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Now that Taylor is back, it’s time for Davey to get creative. Move Soto to 1b. Go with Robles, Taylor, Eaton in the outfield. Try SOMETHING to spark this team.

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Now that Taylor is back, it’s time for Davey to get creative. Move Soto to 1b. Go with Robles, Taylor, Eaton in the outfield. Try SOMETHING to spark this team.

Lots of bold ideas here.

Maybe try F.P. on the roster. Bring back Werth. Is Bonds available?

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Lots of bold ideas here.

Maybe try F.P. on the roster. Bring back Werth. Is Bonds available?

FP ought to manage.   He's a genius.    :)