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Offline PowerBoater69

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1050 on: July 01, 2018, 09:44:16 am »
Agree. I’m thinking they’re gonna have to implement a rule keeping the 4 infielders on the dirt - two to the left and two to the right side of second base. Not easy hitting for average when the pitcher is throwing inside and there are 6 defenders on that same side of the field.
I’m all about traditions but the strikeouts are turning the game into a big bore especially  for the younger crowd that wants more action/excitement by watching the batters run the bases.
It’s not easy these days getting young people enthused about going to the ballpark to watch 3 1/2 hours of strikeouts and replay reviews.


In Single A Little League we had to create a rule to have a maximum four infielders. Teams were pulling in their outfield against six year olds so that no matter where they hit the ball an infielder was right there. Unfair to the kid who had never made it on base all season when he finally connected and the center fielder was standing on second base to make the play.

Harper isn't six. He needs to adjust or accept being a 220 hitter. Having his agent cry "unfair" in the media is lame.

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« Reply #1051 on: July 01, 2018, 10:08:10 am »
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And if we don’t start scoring 7 or more runs more often my family is gonna starve. I have no rooting interest other then scoring 7 runs to get 50% off my next meal.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1052 on: July 01, 2018, 10:33:03 am »
In Single A Little League we had to create a rule to have a maximum four infielders. Teams were pulling in their outfield against six year olds so that no matter where they hit the ball an infielder was right there. Unfair to the kid who had never made it on base all season when he finally connected and the center fielder was standing on second base to make the play.

Harper isn't six. He needs to adjust or accept being a 220 hitter. Having his agent cry "unfair" in the media is lame.
I understand your point and I’m not singling it out to just Bryce Harper. I think this is a League wide issue suffocating the game into the boredom of more strikeouts and sub-.200 batting averages driving young fans away from the game.
I’m not exactly sure what the answer is but the game can’t continue on this path to boredom with all the strikeouts, suffocating shifts, and 6 minute replay reviews.

Maybe the answer is a 3-point line?   :lol:

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1053 on: July 01, 2018, 10:43:02 am »
Lower the mound and allow steroids.

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« Reply #1054 on: July 01, 2018, 10:59:54 am »
Lower the mound and allow steroids.

I'd be curious to see stats on player injuries over the years...sure seems like players get "hurt" a lot more than they used to in the old days, resulting in more minor league players being put on the MLB rosters.  Case in-point...Nellie Fox played 11 straight years of 150 games or more at second base...9 of which during 154 game seasons...and 10 of those as an All-Star...with another All-Star year with 147 of 154 games played...

Is all of this production drop-off a result of more teams and watered-down rosters with guys who shouldn't be in the majors...with or without call-ups? 

With regard to attendance...the Pirates article was pretty spot-on...once they got rid of Cutch, folks don't seem as attached to the team as they were despite the play of the team.  Are the Nationals going to be faced with this?  I know my bride has said she'll have less interest in the team once Royce is gone...

5 hyphenated words in one post...  :D

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« Reply #1055 on: July 01, 2018, 11:11:02 am »
two things i'd like to see -- raise the strike zone 3-6 inches and deaden the ball just a bit. 

As for banning the shifts, I think that when players start truly making an effort to beat the shift, it will go away. 

What I'm hoping this would accomplish:

1) Fewer strikeouts
2) Fewer home runs
3) A higher priority put on pitchers with good control, thereby (hopefully) cutting down on the percentage who throw 95+.
4) Higher priority on batters who practice Gwynn/Ichiro type bat control instead of swinging for the fences at all times.

The more three-true-outcomes batters we can get out of the game, the better.

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« Reply #1056 on: July 01, 2018, 11:44:25 am »
I'd be curious to see stats on player injuries over the years...sure seems like players get "hurt" a lot more than they used to in the old days, resulting in more minor league players being put on the MLB rosters.  Case in-point...Nellie Fox played 11 straight years of 150 games or more at second base...9 of which during 154 game seasons...and 10 of those as an All-Star...with another All-Star year with 147 of 154 games played...

Is all of this production drop-off a result of more teams and watered-down rosters with guys who shouldn't be in the majors...with or without call-ups? 

With regard to attendance...the Pirates article was pretty spot-on...once they got rid of Cutch, folks don't seem as attached to the team as they were despite the play of the team.  Are the Nationals going to be faced with this?  I know my bride has said she'll have less interest in the team once Royce is gone...

5 hyphenated words in one post...  :D

It can be tough to follow a team if all the star players leave in a short period of time. I was a big fan of the Arenas, Butler, Jamison, Stevens, Haywood Wizards and stopped watching every game when they all left.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1057 on: July 01, 2018, 11:46:55 am »
I'd be curious to see stats on player injuries over the years...sure seems like players get "hurt" a lot more than they used to in the old days, resulting in more minor league players being put on the MLB rosters.  Case in-point...Nellie Fox played 11 straight years of 150 games or more at second base...9 of which during 154 game seasons...and 10 of those as an All-Star...with another All-Star year with 147 of 154 games played...

Is all of this production drop-off a result of more teams and watered-down rosters with guys who shouldn't be in the majors...with or without call-ups? 

With regard to attendance...the Pirates article was pretty spot-on...once they got rid of Cutch, folks don't seem as attached to the team as they were despite the play of the team.  Are the Nationals going to be faced with this?  I know my bride has said she'll have less interest in the team once Royce is gone...

5 hyphenated words in one post...  :D

I have always accustomed the increase in DL time to the uptick in pitch speeds. Pitchers throwing harder, very near what scientists believe is the limit that the elbow can take means that injury concerns are much more prevalent. Guys throwing harder means harder hit balls which makes fielding even tougher. Couple that with the removal of greenies and you pretty much see that the "max effort" games being played today reduces the longevity of players throughout a season.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1058 on: July 01, 2018, 11:47:17 am »
two things i'd like to see -- raise the strike zone 3-6 inches and deaden the ball just a bit. 

As for banning the shifts, I think that when players start truly making an effort to beat the shift, it will go away. 

What I'm hoping this would accomplish:

1) Fewer strikeouts
2) Fewer home runs
3) A higher priority put on pitchers with good control, thereby (hopefully) cutting down on the percentage who throw 95+.
4) Higher priority on batters who practice Gwynn/Ichiro type bat control instead of swinging for the fences at all times.

The more three-true-outcomes batters we can get out of the game, the better.

Agreed.

Lefties coming up need to learn to hit against the shift for doubles. Only thing is that mastering the skill negates the need to use it.

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« Reply #1059 on: July 02, 2018, 08:47:08 am »
I like where this thread has gone, you don't usually get to say outlandish things like this because there is absolutely zero chance of any of it happening.

What was the actual question? How to raise offense or how to make the game less boring?(which I think is what they need to be doing, not shorten the games)

They need to get the ball in play more, without increasing homeruns. Problem is, anything you do to hamper the pitcher he is just going to exert himself more and more until his arm falls off. But some ideas are lower the mound again(or move it back), or mess with ball aerodynamics so you don't get such sweeping curveballs(although I would hate to see this), definitely digitize balls/strikes, but as someone said after you hamper the pitcher to get more balls in play you are going to have to deaden the ball to prevent homeruns. Honestly HR's, no matter what the media tries to do with them, are/were killing the game. Not just because they themselves are boring, but more because of players/teams pursuit of them, you could just make HRs harder to hit, and the game would naturally evolve over time back to high contact/high speed.


The only thing we have a chance in hell of seeing, and which I think was actually a not bad idea, was the hitters keeping one foot in the box.

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« Reply #1060 on: July 02, 2018, 08:55:23 am »
Why aren't there more Ichiro's or Altuve's? or even Andrelton Simmons's? Are players and scouts and minor league "developers" of talent THAT stupid?

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« Reply #1061 on: July 02, 2018, 09:31:13 am »
It's, sadly, just the state of the game. They aren't valued anymore, if you can't easily hit 20HR's, or more, you better play multiple positions or they don't want you. If Gwynn or Ichiro were coming up through the minor's today, they had better learn how to play middle infield, or else they wouldn't even get a call.


As I was saying, the simplest thing to do would be make HR's so hard to hit that you'd have to be stupid to model your game/organize your team around them. The game would eventually fix itself after that, but there are faster/better ways to do it, more hands on though.

I do think aluminum bats have seriously skewed both how we evaluate young hitters, and how we teach them how to play. Guys are going for power, rather than plate discipline/quick hands, from day one.

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« Reply #1062 on: July 02, 2018, 09:37:41 am »
It's, sadly, just the state of the game. They aren't valued anymore, if you can't easily hit 20HR's, or more, you better play multiple positions or they don't want you. If Gwynn or Ichiro were coming up through the minor's today, they had better learn how to play middle infield, or else they wouldn't even get a call.


As I was saying, the simplest thing to do would be make HR's so hard to hit that you'd have to be stupid to model your game/organize your team around them. The game would eventually fix itself after that, but there are faster/better ways to do it, more hands on though.

I do think aluminum bats have seriously skewed both how we evaluate young hitters, and how we teach them how to play. Guys are going for power, rather than plate discipline/quick hands, from day one.

MLB just purchased a controlling interest in Rawlings, so ostensibly they could change the ball to limit homers tomorrow.

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« Reply #1063 on: July 02, 2018, 09:39:51 am »
This is a good discussion but why is it in this thread?  I request that the moderator create a new thread and move this discussion to it, so we can get back to Harper.

Let's see if I can re-launch the Harper discussion:

Harper is putrid.

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« Reply #1064 on: July 02, 2018, 09:44:32 am »
This is a good discussion but why is it in this thread?  I request that the moderator create a new thread and move this discussion to it, so we can get back to Harper.

Let's see if I can re-launch the Harper discussion:

Harper is putrid.

It's in this thread because the rule change was proposed by Harper's agent and he was the primary example cited in the article.

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« Reply #1065 on: July 02, 2018, 09:55:17 am »
It's in this thread because the rule change was proposed by Harper's agent and he was the primary example cited in the article.
Still deserves its own thread.

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« Reply #1066 on: July 02, 2018, 10:51:17 am »
Sorta curious how bad Harpers season is going . With the same number of AB's he compares to our old friend Ian Desmond.

Harper .216/.366/.475 with 20 HR's and 49 RBI's  84 K's

Desmond .217/.294/.441 with 17 HR's and 48 RBI's. 88 K's

Freaking pathetic.

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« Reply #1067 on: July 02, 2018, 10:57:42 am »
Sorta curious how bad Harpers season is going . With the same number of AB's he compares to our old friend Ian Desmond.

Harper .216/.366/.475 with 20 HR's and 49 RBI's  84 K's

Desmond .217/.294/.441 with 17 HR's and 48 RBI's. 88 K's

Freaking pathetic.

Well it is comforting to know that Desmond has more Ks.   

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« Reply #1068 on: July 02, 2018, 10:57:58 am »
It's, sadly, just the state of the game. They aren't valued anymore, if you can't easily hit 20HR's, or more, you better play multiple positions or they don't want you. If Gwynn or Ichiro were coming up through the minor's today, they had better learn how to play middle infield, or else they wouldn't even get a call.


As I was saying, the simplest thing to do would be make HR's so hard to hit that you'd have to be stupid to model your game/organize your team around them. The game would eventually fix itself after that, but there are faster/better ways to do it, more hands on though.

I do think aluminum bats have seriously skewed both how we evaluate young hitters, and how we teach them how to play. Guys are going for power, rather than plate discipline/quick hands, from day one.

Without even knowing what Bryce will do in his future years, I'd take Ichiro over him in a heartbeat. I've seen enough.

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« Reply #1069 on: July 02, 2018, 11:03:26 am »
Well it is comforting to know that Desmond has more Ks.   
Anything to make your day better :)

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1070 on: July 02, 2018, 01:14:00 pm »
Sorta curious how bad Harpers season is going . With the same number of AB's he compares to our old friend Ian Desmond.

Harper .216/.366/.475 with 20 HR's and 49 RBI's  84 K's

Desmond .217/.294/.441 with 17 HR's and 48 RBI's. 88 K's

Freaking pathetic.

Harper wRC+: 121
Desmond wRC+: 82

wRC+ measures all hitting production and is weighted for ballpark effects. It measures total runs created. 100 is average. So Harper, even at his absolute worst is 20 percent above average. Desmond is 20 percent below average.

I fully realize this stat will not convince anyone...

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« Reply #1071 on: July 02, 2018, 01:34:32 pm »
Harper wRC+: 121
Desmond wRC+: 82

wRC+ measures all hitting production and is weighted for ballpark effects. It measures total runs created. 100 is average. So Harper, even at his absolute worst is 20 percent above average. Desmond is 20 percent below average.

I fully realize this stat will not convince anyone...

The 100÷ point difference in OPS was enough for me, Harper is still significantly better (on the field, no one ever called Desmond an ass hole).

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« Reply #1072 on: July 02, 2018, 04:04:33 pm »
Why is Bryce taking grounders at 1B?

Is Murphy ready for 2B??

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« Reply #1073 on: July 02, 2018, 04:08:19 pm »
Why is Bryce taking grounders at 1B?

Is Murphy ready for 2B??

Might just be considering all options. Murphy is back at 1b tonight and Bryce is in the OF.

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« Reply #1074 on: July 02, 2018, 04:08:20 pm »
Why is Bryce taking grounders at 1B?


lil' d want's to see him hustle to 1st for a change...maybe he can do it on defense...