What to trade?

[Minty Fresh]

$2 million  signing bonus says he was a decent prospect   

That's a stretch.  The #10 best prospect in any one franchise's system is - at best - the #250th best prospect overall.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

$2 million  signing bonus says he was a decent prospect   

that's true.  There was talent there, and the Phillies did a better job of finding it than most of the prospect raters.  I think a few of us who followed the farm thought he'd be something, and hey, he got us the top reliever on the market at the time. 

[Slateman]

$2 million  signing bonus says he was a decent prospect   

No

[RichMinSC]

 

No

[Smithian]

$2 million  signing bonus says he was a decent prospect   

I see your counterpoint, and raise you Yunesky Maya, Matt Purke, and Yasel Antuna.

Money =/= Ability

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

Maybe it's reading too much into the excitement of an emotional night, but it sounded more and more last night like Bryce is going to resign and stay in DC.  If Rizzo feels the same, he has to be more inclined to include Robles in a deadline deal to make a big splash.  Now, he wouldn't trade Robles for strictly a rental.  It would have to be a piece to help this year and in the future, or at least a rental combined with a long-term piece. 

Of course, ideally you'd trade Eaton or Soto because Robles is the guy who can play CF out of the "Big 4" OFs in the system.  You'd obviously be selling low on Eaton at this point, something you don't want to do.  Soto could be a perennial All Star for 15 years, so it's also not exactly ideal to trade him. 

I think unless a great deal is available that includes both immediate help this year and long-term help, Robles remains a Nat.  In an ideal world, Robles gets rolling and comes up to impact in September, Eaton stays healthy and gets rolling, and Bryce resigns.  Then in the offseason you can try and trade Eaton and go with Soto in LF, Robles in CF, and Harper in RF.  Or just keep Eaton knowing injuries will strike at times. 

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

I really would like to see us go after Ramos.  I can't imagine the price tag is too ridiculous to rent him.

[RichMinSC]

I really would like to see us go after Ramos.  I can't imagine the price tag is too ridiculous to rent him.

he has his usual pulled hammy and will miss the ASG

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

he has his usual pulled hammy and will miss the ASG

Just lowers the price a little.

[zimm_da_kid]

Robles, Fedde, Garcia, Crowe, Johnson, Difo, Rodriguez for Bumgarner and posey

[ZimW1N]

I have no idea what you call low level

Obviously Nick Pivetta

[RichMinSC]

Obviously Nick Pivetta

so I understand: a contributing back of the rotation starter is low level  at least according the brain surgeons here.  What the hell is Roark, Cole, Voth and Fedde?  let's not forget the original statement was Rizzo got Papelbon for practically nothing

[ZimW1N]

so I understand: a contributing back of the rotation starter is low level  at least according the brain surgeons here.  What the hell is Roark, Cole, Voth and Fedde?  let's not forget the original statement was Rizzo got Papelbon for practically nothing

No. The statement was that we didn't give up enough for Pap to justify calling it a panic move. I love said from the beginning we lost the trade

Also Roark is better then Pivetta will ever be.

[RichMinSC]

 

No. The statement was that we didn't give up enough for Pap to justify calling it a panic move. I love said from the beginning we lost the trade

Also Roark is better then Pivetta will ever be.

[ZimW1N]

Insightful.

[bluestreak]

I have no idea what you call low level

I mean Soto and Robles are high level prospects. And I’m pretty sure Pivetta wasn’t at that level. So we are splitting hairs over whether he was a mid level or low level prospect. Hell, I’m not even sure I know what you guys are arguing about. It don’t think anyone is arguing that Rizzo didn’t lose that trade. And I don’t think anyone is arguing that Pivetta is a staff ace or even a legit #2...

So 

[ZimW1N]

Pivetta had a 6+ ERA last year and is hovering around 4.5 this year.

He was a low level prospect who has developed into a back of the rotation starter.

It looks like Pivetta has had a season similar to Roark in that he started pretty good and had a crap June. I started him in FanDuel a few times and he did pretty well.

[ZimW1N]

I saw the Tampa Ray's beat writer report that we are asking about Eovaldi. That has convinced me that we about to get Kyle Gibson from the Twins. We never hear anything about our deadline deals until they are made.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

I saw the Tampa Ray's beat writer report that we are asking about Eovaldi. That has convinced me that we about to get Kyle Gibson from the Twins. We never hear anything about our deadline deals until they are made.

I'd be happy to get Gibson.  Much more so than Eovaldi.  And you're right that the reports typically aren't who we actually get.  Gibson is the level of acquisition I expect to land.  I think we prioritize a mid-rotation starter first, then if we get that done, maybe try to acquire Ramos or another catcher. 

[RichMinSC]

I mean Soto and Robles are high level prospects. And I’m pretty sure Pivetta wasn’t at that level. So we are splitting hairs over whether he was a mid level or low level prospect. Hell, I’m not even sure I know what you guys are arguing about. It don’t think anyone is arguing that Rizzo didn’t lose that trade. And I don’t think anyone is arguing that Pivetta is a staff ace or even a legit #2...

So 

my points that they are taking issue with are 1- Papelbon cost us what became a  serviceable major league starter 2 a 10-15 prospect is NOT low level  considering there are 160-189 players in any org. minor league system

the statement that Roark  a #4 starter on a 500 team with a 3-12 record  4.67 Era and 1.40 WHIP is markedly  better than a younger #3 starter on a first place team who is 6-7 with a 4.58 ERA and  a 1.32 WHIP  is just plain absurd

[Greg_SRT]

You need a Clutch Bat added to the lineup.

As much as people on here want to talk about Gio or Tanner, they account for very little of the losses we have. Simply because many of the games in the L column have come with no offense. Gio and Company did give up 11 to Tampa. And Max and Company gave up 1. We lost both because Lineup was shut out.

Whether Gio and Tanner give up 3 or 9 over 9 is near meaningless. Because we constantly can't score more than 3.

The season at this point depends on all 3... Harper, Zimm, and Murphy getting it together and all performing on the field in the second half. But if you could sub in JT bat for 1 of the 3... then the offense has better odds imo of performing were they need to.

Don't get me wrong, we need a SP and Catcher.

But there isn't any SP we can trade for this season that will allow this team to compile wins when they are only putting up 2 runs a game.

[ZimW1N]

my points that they are taking issue with are 1- Papelbon cost us what became a  serviceable major league starter 2 a 10-15 prospect is NOT low level  considering there are 160-189 players in any org. minor league system

the statement that Roark  a #4 starter on a 500 team with a 3-12 record  4.67 Era and 1.40 WHIP is markedly  better than a younger #3 starter on a first place team who is 6-7 with a 4.58 ERA and  a 1.32 WHIP  is just plain absurd

My god there is just so much wrong with this post. So Nick Pivetta is better than Roark because of pitcher wins and team success even though they have a .09 difference in ERA and a .08 difference in WHIP?  So I guess Tanner's track record of MLB success means nothing.

I will make any kind of forum bet you want that Roark ends the season with a better line than Pivetta.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

My god there is just so much wrong with this post. So Nick Pivetta is better than Roark because of pitcher wins and team success even though they have a .09 difference in ERA and a .08 difference in WHIP?  So I guess Tanner's track record of MLB success means nothing.

I will make any kind of forum bet you want that Roark ends the season with a better line than Pivetta.

No kidding.  This year, they have been similarly pretty bad on the whole.  However, Pivetta had an ERA of 6 and a half over a full season last year.  That's his track record.  He's younger, so we'll see how he develops because there is upside.  But Roark has been really, really good for several years in the past.  Roark has shown he can bounce back when he does struggle.  I suspect he'll figure things out. 

[UMDNats]

guys everyone who we traded away is good, and everyone we kept and currently on the roster sucks ass.

[RichMinSC]

My god there is just so much wrong with this post. So Nick Pivetta is better than Roark because of pitcher wins and team success even though they have a .09 difference in ERA and a .08 difference in WHIP?  So I guess Tanner's track record of MLB success means nothing.

I will make any kind of forum bet you want that Roark ends the season with a better line than Pivetta.

mR word twister that is NOT what I said  YOU SAID Roark is much better