Lerners are Cheap - 2017

[rbw5t]

Bob Carpenter‏ @scorebook_bob  27m27 minutes ago
To make things perfectly clear:  no one from the MASN Nationals TV crew left Nationals Park during tonight's rain delay.

Yeah, they left after the delay, when the game had been postponed, over an hour before the team told the fans.

[Baseball is Life]

Zukerman has the story.
http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2017/08/series-opener-postponed-split-doubleheader-on-sunday.html

The rain arrived shortly after 7 p.m., with heavy rain and lightning descending on the area around 7:45 p.m. Given the slow movement of the storm approaching from the west, the odds of conditions improving enough to play in a timely manner were minimal, though the rain briefly diminished to a drizzle after 9 p.m. before picking up again.
By then, the decision to postpone apparently had already been made, with players from both teams seen leaving their clubhouses in street clothes, grounds crew members seen removing equipment from the field and reporters who cover the Giants summoned to interview manager Bruce Bochy. An official announcement didn’t come from the Nationals (via their Twitter account) until 9:47 p.m. The message was not conveyed on the scoreboard until 9:52 p.m., at which point the few fans who still remained booed.

[skippy1999]

Zukerman has the story.
http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2017/08/series-opener-postponed-split-doubleheader-on-sunday.html

The rain arrived shortly after 7 p.m., with heavy rain and lightning descending on the area around 7:45 p.m. Given the slow movement of the storm approaching from the west, the odds of conditions improving enough to play in a timely manner were minimal, though the rain briefly diminished to a drizzle after 9 p.m. before picking up again.
By then, the decision to postpone apparently had already been made, with players from both teams seen leaving their clubhouses in street clothes, grounds crew members seen removing equipment from the field and reporters who cover the Giants summoned to interview manager Bruce Bochy. An official announcement didn’t come from the Nationals (via their Twitter account) until 9:47 p.m. The message was not conveyed on the scoreboard until 9:52 p.m., at which point the few fans who still remained booed.

Disgraceful

[PowerBoater69]

Reading the reports on Twitter it is possible that both the Giants reporter and the MASN staff are correct in their statements. The report from @PavlovicNBCS was that the "Nationals TV announcers" had left. In addition to the Giants TV and MASN the Nats employ an in house TV crew. Since the Nats players, grounds crew, and concessions managers knew of the cancelation it is likely that their TV production staff knew as well. Strange that the Nats seem to have been informed by MLB of the decision prior to the Giants and stranger that they reportedly didn't immediately pass that info along.

I'm seeing some of the same Nats fans who get invited to the team's exclusive pre-season events defending the hour delay in announcing the postponement. Great to see that move paying off for the chief of revenue.

[Ray D]

I can't believe people think this happened so they could sell a few more beers.  It happened because, aside from baseball matters, this is a dysfunctional organization.

[monkeyhit]

I can't believe people think this happened so they could sell a few more beers.  It happened because, aside from baseball matters, this is a dysfunctional organization.

And people wonder why Washington fans aren't gung-ho. They get treated like pawns.

[Baseball is Life]

I can't believe people think this happened so they could sell a few more beers.  It happened because, aside from baseball matters, this is a dysfunctional organization.

This. I bet the guy in charge of operations will be looking for a new job after this season. But I do find the conspiracy theories entertaining.

[Briggs]

This is a Natinal move!

[mimontero88]

It really is mind-boggling how badly we handle rain delays.  I got into a conversation with a Braves fan on Twitter during the non-rain delay a month ago or so after he had accused the Nats of gamesmanship.  After I assured him it wasn't gamesmanship, but rather blatant incompetence, he questioned how a professional organization could be so inept.  I had no answer for him.

[Natsinpwc]

This. I bet the guy in charge of operations will be looking for a new job after this season. But I do find the conspiracy theories entertaining.

they may be dysfunctional. But they also sold more beers and food. Just coincidence I suppose. They should give everyone who went to the game $20 worth of free food and drink.

[Natsinpwc]

Reading the reports on Twitter it is possible that both the Giants reporter and the MASN staff are correct in their statements. The report from @PavlovicNBCS was that the "Nationals TV announcers" had left. In addition to the Giants TV and MASN the Nats employ an in house TV crew. Since the Nats players, grounds crew, and concessions managers knew of the cancelation it is likely that their TV production staff knew as well. Strange that the Nats seem to have been informed by MLB of the decision prior to the Giants and stranger that they reportedly didn't immediately pass that info along.

I'm seeing some of the same Nats fans who get invited to the team's exclusive pre-season events defending the hour delay in announcing the postponement. Great to see that move paying off for the chief of revenue.

But Carp said he didn't leave. A liar in addition to a Cards fan.

[mimontero88]

Strange that the Nats seem to have been informed by MLB of the decision prior to the Giants and stranger that they reportedly didn't immediately pass that info along.

Isn't it the Nats' decision, not MLB's?

[Natsinpwc]

There was a game we went a few years ago where they were calling for storms and wind and flooding. The local tv was telling people to stay home  I had driven to work and had a friend driving down from PA meeting me. He kept checking with me and told him no cancellation so we went. Wife thought I was crazy. Weather broke briefly before the game and finally they called it right around starting time. But not before we had some beers and food. This stuff is not coincidence. Rich guys always want to make more money.

When I was at Wrigley last week talked to an usher and mentioned no charging station there. He said they had one last year sponsored by Amtrak but Amtrak pulled out so they closed it down. He basically said the owners don't do anything in the park that doesn't generat revenue. I think most of us would leave a charging station there and eat the cost for a year or two. But not rich guys and not when the consumers keep consuming.

[RobDibblesGhost]

Isn't it the Nats' decision, not MLB's?

Apparently MLB had the call last night since this is the Giants only visit to DC this year.

[mimontero88]

Apparently MLB had the call last night since this is the Giants only visit to DC this year.

Ah.  I'm going to have to find a list of rules on this.  It seems stupidly convoluted, especially when teams like the Nationals continue to prove that MLB should always make the decision.

[Natsinpwc]

Apparently MLB had the call last night since this is the Giants only visit to DC this year.

And they conveniently forgot to pass on the decision?  I am sure they sat down with MLB throughout. Easy decision. Radar looked bad all through the night and conditions look good Sunday. They could also play a regular doubleheader and start it at like 12 or 12:30 but of course they might lose a little revenue that way.

[Natsinpwc]

Ah.  I'm going to have to find a list of rules on this.  It seems stupidly convoluted, especially when teams like the Nationals continue to prove that MLB should always make the decision.

Ok. But who is MLB. The MLB reps at the game are the umpires. MLB can look at radar and such in NY but they are not there. I am sure even when MLB supposedly makes the decision the teams have major input.  Like, let's wait a little longer and maybe it will break.

[PowerBoater69]

But Carp said he didn't leave. A liar in addition to a Cards fan.

I believe the MASN crew that they didn't know. I think that it was the Nats in house TV staff that left.

[mimontero88]

And they conveniently forgot to pass on the decision?  I am sure they sat down with MLB throughout. Easy decision. Radar looked bad all through the night and conditions look good Sunday. They could also play a regular doubleheader and start it at like 12 or 12:30 but of course they might lose a little revenue that way.

From what I'm reading, the only way jurisdiction of this decision gets passed on to MLB is if the lineup cards had already been turned in.  Since that usually happens about 5 minutes before the start of the game, I'm thinking this was the Nats' decision but it's certainly possible I'm wrong about this.

[bluestreak]

And they conveniently forgot to pass on the decision?  I am sure they sat down with MLB throughout. Easy decision. Radar looked bad all through the night and conditions look good Sunday. They could also play a regular doubleheader and start it at like 12 or 12:30 but of course they might lose a little revenue that way.

I think they probably do it for revenue, but if I think about it how would a regular doubleheader work? I gave my tickets to last nights game to a friend. I still have tickets to the Sunday afternoon game. So if they had a traditional doubleheader, who would sit in my seats?

[dcpatti]

Charlie Slowes is currently tweeting that it's not unusual for the players to be informed first and that the Giants told their broadcasters before any official announcement of the delay

https://mobile.twitter.com/charlieslowes/status/896377653082681345 (and some subtweets)

"There is a process to making the announcement by MLB. Players are first to know when game is ppd. Giants had reporters to clubhouse next"

"That's even before Sunday's game times were set. Both teams then left. This is not that unusual.  Announcement could have come sooner."

"Giants broadcasters were notified by their club before announcement."



I keep refreshing to see if he'll tweet more.

[dcpatti]

From what I'm reading, the only way jurisdiction of this decision gets passed on to MLB is if the lineup cards had already been turned in.  Since that usually happens about 5 minutes before the start of the game, I'm thinking this was the Nats' decision but it's certainly possible I'm wrong about this.

If one team is in contention and it's the visiting team's final visit for the season, then it is MLB's decision.

[mimontero88]

If one team is in contention and it's the visiting team's final visit for the season, then it is MLB's decision.

Gotcha.  Do you know of any place that has all these procedures in one spot?  I'd be curious to know more about it.

[Natsinpwc]

I think they probably do it for revenue, but if I think about it how would a regular doubleheader work? I gave my tickets to last nights game to a friend. I still have tickets to the Sunday afternoon game. So if they had a traditional doubleheader, who would sit in my seats?

I don;t remember since it has been so long since they have played a regular doubleheader.  Somehow they were able to figure it out in the old days.  I think the ticket holders for the regular game had precedence. And then those with rain checks could get a ticket for that game or any other.

[Baseball is Life]

I think they probably do it for revenue, but if I think about it how would a regular doubleheader work? I gave my tickets to last nights game to a friend. I still have tickets to the Sunday afternoon game. So if they had a traditional doubleheader, who would sit in my seats?

If they have a traditional DH then the tickets to the rained out game would be a rain check that you would need to redeem for any game. The would then be redeemed for what's available and would not effect tickets already sold.