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Offline Bloo

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Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Topic Start: July 02, 2016, 11:58:24 PM »
Ever have a soft spot for the one guy on the bench? Not a fan of a popular player on the team? Share!

I always loved Pete Orr. Never understood the disdain for him.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #1: July 03, 2016, 04:00:04 AM »
Ever have a soft spot for the one guy on the bench? Not a fan of a popular player on the team? Share!

I always loved Pete Orr. Never understood the disdain for him.

I really like Danny Espinosa.

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« Reply #2: July 03, 2016, 07:47:14 AM »
Here are the facts:
  • Nationals Park was a huge overpay by the District, MLB needed a big market city as much as DC needed a team, there was no reason to gift the league a $700 million ballpark.
  • Anthony Williams got bent over on the MASN deal, it was part of the original contract that broadcast rights were not included with the team, his caving led to the current situation.
  • The 2005 team that won 50 games in the first half was fueled by steroids.
  • Frank Robinson was the best manager the Nats have had until Baker.
  • Bowden was told to tank for draft picks as soon as the Lerners bought the team, the 100 loss seasons were intentional and therefore not an indicator of his abilities as a GM.
  • The Smiley signing was Mark Lerner's fault, he should not have agreed to sign a contract at last call in a bar the night after his Dad bought the team.
  • The Plan to build via the draft was a money grab to pay off team debt via revenue sharing and low payroll, there was no baseball reason not to field a decent team concurrently with rebuilding the minor league system. The changes to revenue sharing led to the eventual change in strategy.
  • Bowden should have traded Soriano before the deadline (although that worked out pretty well).
  • Dmitri Young was a woman beater who drank himself off of two teams.
  • Guzman earned that All-Star appearance and his re-signing was the right move.
  • Rizzo should have traded Dunn before the deadline.
  • Riggleman was wrong to quit mid-season but justifiably pissed at Rizzo for lack of support in the clubhouse.
  • Rizzo should never have shut down Stras heading into the playoffs with zero medical science pointing to an exact number of innings leading to future injuries.
  • Gio was juicing up until his doctor was busted, leading to his big contract and career year in 2012.
  • Rizzo should have resigned Zimmermann rather than signing Scherzer.
  • Werth is a manager killer.
  • Williams pulling Zimmermann was not the reason that the Nats lost that game, it was entirely on the offense.
  • Zimmerman was juicing up until his dealer got caught bragging about it on hidden camera.
  • Harper needs to get benched or beat down more often for not running out every play.
  • Papelbon should be signed for 2017-8.
  • WTF? You let Stras finish.

Offline BrandonK

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #3: July 03, 2016, 08:17:28 AM »
I really like Danny Espinosa.

Hey, that's a popular opinion now!  :lol: :lol:

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #4: July 03, 2016, 08:42:56 AM »
Here are the facts:
  • Rizzo should have resigned Zimmermann rather than signing Scherzer.

Zimmermann is having the worst year of his career.


Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that the Nationals need to trade Harper for as much as they can get.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #5: July 03, 2016, 08:44:48 AM »
Here are the facts:
  • Nationals Park was a huge overpay by the District, MLB needed a big market city as much as DC needed a team, there was no reason to gift the league a $700 million ballpark.
  • Anthony Williams got bent over on the MASN deal, it was part of the original contract that broadcast rights were not included with the team, his caving led to the current situation.
  • The 2005 team that won 50 games in the first half was fueled by steroids.
  • Frank Robinson was the best manager the Nats have had until Baker.
  • Bowden was told to tank for draft picks as soon as the Lerners bought the team, the 100 loss seasons were intentional and therefore not an indicator of his abilities as a GM.
  • The Smiley signing was Mark Lerner's fault, he should not have agreed to sign a contract at last call in a bar the night after his Dad bought the team.
  • The Plan to build via the draft was a money grab to pay off team debt via revenue sharing and low payroll, there was no baseball reason not to field a decent team concurrently with rebuilding the minor league system. The changes to revenue sharing led to the eventual change in strategy.
  • Bowden should have traded Soriano before the deadline (although that worked out pretty well).
  • Dmitri Young was a woman beater who drank himself off of two teams.
  • Guzman earned that All-Star appearance and his re-signing was the right move.
  • Rizzo should have traded Dunn before the deadline.
  • Riggleman was wrong to quit mid-season but justifiably pissed at Rizzo for lack of support in the clubhouse.
  • Gio was juicing up until his doctor was busted, leading to his big contract and career year in 2012.
  • Rizzo should have resigned Zimmermann rather than signing Scherzer.
  • Werth is a manager killer.
  • Zimmerman was juicing up until his dealer got caught bragging about it on hidden camera.
  • Harper needs to get benched or beat down more often for not running out every play.
  • Papelbon should be signed for 2017-8.

A trolling masterpiece, really your best piece of work and the result of years of finely honing your craft.

Offline PowerBoater69

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #6: July 03, 2016, 09:14:04 AM »
Zimmermann is having the worst year of his career.

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that the Nationals need to trade Harper for as much as they can get.

JZ should still be in the NL. Agreed on Harper.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #7: July 03, 2016, 09:15:02 AM »
A trolling masterpiece, really your best piece of work and the result of years of finely honing your craft.

Go blow a camel.

Offline Slateman

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #8: July 03, 2016, 09:16:30 AM »
JZ should still be in the NL. Agreed on Harper.

Didn't want to be here. JZ has regressed/declined the two seasons since being offered that contract.

Offline ajcartwright

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #9: July 03, 2016, 09:34:57 AM »
Here are the facts:
  • Rizzo should have resigned Zimmermann rather than signing Scherzer.
  • Papelbon should be signed for 2017-8.
taken as were serious
until reading these two "facts"
now just laughing

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #10: July 03, 2016, 10:04:11 AM »
taken as were serious
until reading these two "facts"
now just laughing

Max is overpaid, JZ would not be struggling as much if he was still here. Slate has a point though about Zimnn not wanting to stay here, in which case he falls into the Soriano and Dunn category of guys who should have been traded before the deadline.

Are there even a half dozen very good closers in the league? Pappy isn't top tier anymore but he is better than anyone else the Nats currently have on the roster, we are better off extending him for a couple more years and working on improving our offensive depth instead of blowing the budget on a closer. Plus, it would be cool to see Paps set the Nats team record for saves so that he holds the record for three franchises.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #11: July 03, 2016, 10:22:10 AM »
Morse was the most over rated player in Nats history.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #12: July 03, 2016, 10:24:26 AM »
Go blow a camel.

The troller gets trolled and can't cope. :hysterical:

Offline monkeyhit

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #13: July 03, 2016, 10:27:13 AM »
Zimmermann is having the worst year of his career.


Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that the Nationals need to trade Harper for as much as they can get.

I wanted to give him half a billion in April but now I also want to trade the sucker.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #14: July 03, 2016, 10:44:28 AM »
Morse was the most over rated player in Nats history.

Zimmerman is the most over rated nats player

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #15: July 03, 2016, 10:46:56 AM »
Zimmerman is the most over rated nats player

He's actually produced for more than half a season in the bigs, unlike Morse.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #16: July 03, 2016, 10:50:41 AM »
Here are the facts:
  • Nationals Park was a huge overpay by the District, MLB needed a big market city as much as DC needed a team, there was no reason to gift the league a $700 million ballpark.
  • Anthony Williams got bent over on the MASN deal, it was part of the original contract that broadcast rights were not included with the team, his caving led to the current situation.
  • The 2005 team that won 50 games in the first half was fueled by steroids.
  • Frank Robinson was the best manager the Nats have had until Baker.
  • Bowden was told to tank for draft picks as soon as the Lerners bought the team, the 100 loss seasons were intentional and therefore not an indicator of his abilities as a GM.
  • The Smiley signing was Mark Lerner's fault, he should not have agreed to sign a contract at last call in a bar the night after his Dad bought the team.
  • The Plan to build via the draft was a money grab to pay off team debt via revenue sharing and low payroll, there was no baseball reason not to field a decent team concurrently with rebuilding the minor league system. The changes to revenue sharing led to the eventual change in strategy.
  • Bowden should have traded Soriano before the deadline (although that worked out pretty well).
  • Dmitri Young was a woman beater who drank himself off of two teams.
  • Guzman earned that All-Star appearance and his re-signing was the right move.
  • Rizzo should have traded Dunn before the deadline.
  • Riggleman was wrong to quit mid-season but justifiably pissed at Rizzo for lack of support in the clubhouse.
  • Gio was juicing up until his doctor was busted, leading to his big contract and career year in 2012.
  • Rizzo should have resigned Zimmermann rather than signing Scherzer.
  • Werth is a manager killer.
  • Zimmerman was juicing up until his dealer got caught bragging about it on hidden camera.
  • Harper needs to get benched or beat down more often for not running out every play.
  • Papelbon should be signed for 2017-8.
1. All pro sport stadium deals are crap.
2. Yup.
4. Low bar but maybe. I'd lead toward Davey Johnson in 2012. He started wearing down in 2013. Too old.
8. Yes.
9. But the smile!
11. Probably.
12. Justifiably pissed but no way should anyone quit midseason.
15. If you're a substandard manager like Jim Riggleman, yes. But if Werth's 2011 legacy is running Nyjer Morgan and Riggleman out of town then I consider that a plus.
17. Dropped in lineup, yes.

Offline Ray D

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #17: July 03, 2016, 10:54:09 AM »

15. If you're a substandard manager like Jim Riggleman, yes. But if Werth's 2011 legacy is running Nyjer Morgan and Riggleman out of town then I consider that a plus.

I thought the Manager Killer tag was for Matt.  Wasn't Jason Marquis the Manager Killer in Riggleman's case?

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #18: July 03, 2016, 11:02:36 AM »
I thought the Manager Killer tag was for Matt.  Wasn't Jason Marquis the Manager Killer in Riggleman's case?
That is a fair point.

And I think we can all agree if Marquis and Riggs had thrown down in the clubhouse after the O's game then Riggs would have won that thing with a KO in the second round.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #19: July 03, 2016, 11:03:30 AM »
Zimmerman is the most over rated nats player

Very possible, but Storen continues to have more apologists than he deserves so he has a claim. I think you could say Strasburg given how much hype he actually gets until he turned into a beast this season.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #20: July 03, 2016, 11:10:40 AM »
The troller gets trolled and can't cope. :hysterical:

He's waiting for you big guy.


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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #21: July 03, 2016, 11:12:19 AM »
I thought the Manager Killer tag was for Matt.  Wasn't Jason Marquis the Manager Killer in Riggleman's case?

It was Werth and Marquis for Riggleman.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #22: July 03, 2016, 11:14:08 AM »
Zimmerman is the most over rated nats player

Currently or all time? Church was the most over-rated at one point.

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #23: July 03, 2016, 11:49:54 AM »
How do you create that entire list and not mention the Strasburg shutdown?

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Re: Unpopular Nationals Opinions
« Reply #24: July 03, 2016, 11:53:26 AM »
How do you create that entire list and not mention the Strasburg shutdown?

Holy crap! That was the big one. Now included in the list. I need for everyone who has quoted that original list to update their quoted copy to include this critical fact.