Author Topic: The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah (Read 66812 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #675 on:** January 02, 2026, 10:33:03 am »

I'm actually not as high on Mayo. I think there's a lot of swing and miss. While some of that may be made up for with walks, its still not enough to make up for a below average hit tool. Personally, I think Trey Gibson should be subbed for Mejia.

I'm not pessimistic on Gore's performance. I'm much more worried about health. He tears his UCL after Memorial Day, and the Nats will basically get nothing for him. Teams focused on player development can't afford to let high level talent like Gore without being compensated for it.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #676 on:** January 04, 2026, 05:01:19 pm »

I'm also not really high on Mayo, but if you get him at a discount due to blockage, fine.

That system has a lot of lottery tickets. Many of them are better than the ones on that list (save Bateman, who perhaps ironically is a Rizzo dream; dude is HUGE).

Slate's also right as to the concern on Gore. Lest people forget, the Nats thought they were in for a decent trade payday on Trevor Williams when he ran up a 2.03 in the first 3 months of 2024 (with a sub-3 FIP for those of you who can't believe actual performance and must substitute fiction). Didn't work so well. And Gore is exactly the kind of delivery I'd expect something to go wrong. There's a lot of stress on both his shoulder and elbow in there.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #677 on:** January 04, 2026, 06:17:39 pm »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on January 04, 2026, 05:01:19 pm

Lest people forget, the Nats thought they were in for a decent trade payday on Trevor Williams when he ran up a 2.03 in the first 3 months of 2024 (with a sub-3 FIP for those of you who can't believe actual performance and must substitute fiction). Didn't work so well.

Williams' value was depressed by the fact that his fastball was averaging a nearly league low 86/87 mph. Even before he got hurt, he had extremely low value to another team as a starter.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #678 on:** January 08, 2026, 04:51:59 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 04, 2026, 06:17:39 pm

Williams' value was depressed by the fact that his fastball was averaging a nearly league low 86/87 mph. Even before he got hurt, he had extremely low value to another team as a starter.

But not as much in the bullpen. Look, the Nats got something for Soroka last year. A guy who's been starting and run up a 2.03 is getting you something; yes, less because of the how, but still something.

Slateman · « **Reply #679 on:** January 08, 2026, 07:21:13 pm »

Quote from: Elvir Ovcina on January 08, 2026, 04:51:59 pm

But not as much in the bullpen. Look, the Nats got something for Soroka last year. A guy who's been starting and run up a 2.03 is getting you something; yes, less because of the how, but still something.

Availability is the most important ability

Williams probably comes back as a long man after the deadline

varoadking · « **Reply #680 on:** January 08, 2026, 08:38:44 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on January 08, 2026, 07:21:13 pm

Availability is the most important ability

2021-2024 Patrick Corbin says hi...

IanRubbish · « **Reply #681 on:** January 08, 2026, 09:11:38 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on January 08, 2026, 07:21:13 pm

Availability is the most important ability

Williams probably comes back as a long man after the deadline

We'll see with that UCL tear. Either way, he'll have zero trade value but maybe he wraps up his contract as a bullpen reinforcement.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #682 on:** January 09, 2026, 09:47:39 am »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 08, 2026, 09:11:38 pm

We'll see with that UCL tear. Either way, he'll have zero trade value but maybe he wraps up his contract as a bullpen reinforcement.

I'm not saying he has trade value now. I was saying he had some before the injury. The point is that if you intend on trading a pitcher at some point, sooner is almost always better because of the injury risk.

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #683 on:** January 24, 2026, 08:44:05 pm »

James wood and cj Abrams
—>
Konnor Griffin, Seth Hernandez, Hunter Barco, Edward Florentino, Esmerlyn Valdez, and a throw in or two.

Launches the pirates into real contention while they still have Skenes and Chandler, Jones, Etc under cheap control. Gives them a real offense and sets us up nice.

Slateman · « **Reply #684 on:** January 24, 2026, 08:52:40 pm »

Griffin is too old for Toboni

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #685 on:** January 27, 2026, 07:02:03 pm »

I think that the Red Sox practice of sticking close to the luxury tax threshold opens up the possibility of several salary dump trades. They have around $38 million of their cbt hit locked into Yoshida, Hicks, and Sandoval. I've thought swapping Ruiz and Yoshida would make sense. Their lux tax hit is about $36 million total going forward, but Yoshida is $18 million in 2026 and 2027, while Ruiz is spread out over 5 years. Sox would lower their Cbt hit about $11 million. Toss in Sandoval, and there's the Nats opening day starter and another $10 million or so in cbt relief. For the kindness, we can get a few A ballers.

Slateman · « **Reply #686 on:** January 27, 2026, 07:11:57 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 27, 2026, 07:02:03 pm

I think that the Red Sox practice of sticking close to the luxury tax threshold opens up the possibility of several salary dump trades. They have around $38 million of their cbt hit locked into Yoshida, Hicks, and Sandoval. I've thought swapping Ruiz and Yoshida would make sense. Their lux tax hit is about $36 million total going forward, but Yoshida is $18 million in 2026 and 2027, while Ruiz is spread out over 5 years. Sox would lower their Cbt hit about $11 million. Toss in Sandoval, and there's the Nats opening day starter and another $10 million or so in cbt relief. For the kindness, we can get a few A ballers.

But I don't think the Lerners are willing to take on salary

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #687 on:** January 27, 2026, 08:40:37 pm »

With Yoshida, the total owed is almost the same as Ruizboth in cash and cbt. It's just a timing issue. True, the present value of Yoshida is greater because it's 2 years vs 5, but that's not much. Sandoval would only factor in if the ownership was good with spending on an Opening Day starter. Tbh, I couldn't really see a deal where Yoshida, Sandoval, and prospects are dealt for Ruiz because of optics, but Ruiz for Yoshida plus prospects is less likely to draw scrutiny

Slateman · « **Reply #688 on:** January 28, 2026, 08:10:15 am »

Yea, I just dont see a world where ownership is willing to spend more money now. This ownership entire policy has been to delay paying as long as possible through deferments.

Moreover, we dont need Yoshida. He takes time away from younger players that we want to see develop.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #689 on:** January 28, 2026, 09:34:30 am »

I see this team going with Lile and Wood in the corners for the next 2 years to see if they can become acceptable defensively and Crews in CF. Maybe if they want to give Franklin, Hassell, or maybe Pinckney a good run in the field then you'd want DH open, but otherwise I don't see why Yoshida would block anything for a couple of years.

It really comes down to whether they want to buy the minor leaguers from the Boston system. I haven't crunched the numbers, but arguably the difference in accelerating part of the payments of the $36 million owed to Ruiz vs the current payment stream to Ruiz may be less than the cost of the acquiring players through international signings and drafting. Also, not mentioned in this, it opens the time to Ford.

Boston also may view Ruiz as an upgrade on Wong as a backup.

imref · « **Reply #690 on:** January 28, 2026, 08:52:43 pm »

Baseball Unstitched offers 5 trade packages for CJ (with CJ going to 2B in all of them):

Boston: Abrams for UTIL Kristian Campbell (MLB) & SS Dorian Soto (#9)

SFG: Abrams and Garcia Jr. for 1B Bryce Eldridge (#1) | RHP Hayden Birdsong (MLB) | RHP Alberto Laroche (#19)

Padres: Abrams for LHP Kruz Schoolcraft (#2) | OF Kale Fountain (#8) | 2 PTBNL

Seattle: Abrams & Garcia Jr. for 2B Cole Young | LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje (#7) | OF Tai Pete (#11) | RHP Grant Knipp (#27)

Can't say any of these are exciting returns. Maybe Seattle's is the deepest package?

IanRubbish · « **Reply #691 on:** January 28, 2026, 11:26:42 pm »

Re: the Giants, Luis Garcia has zero/negative value to the team and Eldridge isn’t going anywhere.

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #692 on:** January 29, 2026, 12:06:41 am »

Quote from: imref on January 28, 2026, 08:52:43 pm

Baseball Unstitched offers 5 trade packages for CJ (with CJ going to 2B in all of them):

Boston: Abrams for UTIL Kristian Campbell (MLB) & SS Dorian Soto (#9)

SFG: Abrams and Garcia Jr. for 1B Bryce Eldridge (#1) | RHP Hayden Birdsong (MLB) | RHP Alberto Laroche (#19)

Padres: Abrams for LHP Kruz Schoolcraft (#2) | OF Kale Fountain (#8) | 2 PTBNL

Seattle: Abrams & Garcia Jr. for 2B Cole Young | LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje (#7) | OF Tai Pete (#11) | RHP Grant Knipp (#27)

Can't say any of these are exciting returns. Maybe Seattle's is the deepest package?

my thoughts:

By package:

Boston: I really like Dorian Soto/ Great numbers in the DSL and could take off if he performs well stateside. Cambell is a good buy-low candidate. Great minor league numbers but hasn't done much in the majors and is already extended to a deal where it's tema-friendly if he does well, and worse than keibert's if he's bad. Lot of risk for a team thats not a big spender. I'd pass unless we got witherspoon in addition (big ask). Frankly, I'd rather have witherspoon, eyenson, soto, and a high upside young guy.

I think SF would deal eldridge in the right package given that they have Devers, but it would have to be for a big name. Abrams ain't it. Josuar (who I LOVE) was talked about recently. him, one of bo davidson or dakota jordan, and two out of the Camaya/Martinez/Bresnahan group would be a good return and potentially amenable for them. The biggest piece they give up would be a guy they were already rumored to have been willing to include and they keep eldridge.

padres deal - just no

seattle: young looks like a back up. Stott as his BEST case. pete and knipp are whatevers. Cijntje is cool, but given the rest of the package, I'd have to get anderson or sloan instead.

Yankees could be interesting. Give me dominguez, kilby and one of lagrange or cruz and I think that works for both sides. We'd have to move young, but we could roll with an OF/DH rotation of crews/wood/lile/dominguez

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #693 on:** January 29, 2026, 09:39:38 am »

Avatar aside I think they have to trade Young. Let Crews play center and call up some of their outfield glut (Franklin, Hassell, Pinckney) to replace him.

imref · « **Reply #694 on:** January 29, 2026, 10:25:09 am »

Quote from: nobleisthyname on January 29, 2026, 09:39:38 am

Avatar aside I think they have to trade Young. Let Crews play center and call up some of their outfield glut (Franklin, Hassell, Pinckney) to replace him.

Absolutely. Crews should not be playing RF.

Elvir Ovcina · « **Reply #695 on:** January 29, 2026, 01:54:33 pm »

Quote from: zimm_da_kid on January 29, 2026, 12:06:41 am

my thoughts:

By package:

Boston: I really like Dorian Soto/ Great numbers in the DSL and could take off if he performs well stateside. Cambell is a good buy-low candidate. Great minor league numbers but hasn't done much in the majors and is already extended to a deal where it's tema-friendly if he does well, and worse than keibert's if he's bad. Lot of risk for a team thats not a big spender. I'd pass unless we got witherspoon in addition (big ask). Frankly, I'd rather have witherspoon, eyenson, soto, and a high upside young guy.

I think SF would deal eldridge in the right package given that they have Devers, but it would have to be for a big name. Abrams ain't it. Josuar (who I LOVE) was talked about recently. him, one of bo davidson or dakota jordan, and two out of the Camaya/Martinez/Bresnahan group would be a good return and potentially amenable for them. The biggest piece they give up would be a guy they were already rumored to have been willing to include and they keep eldridge.

padres deal - just no

seattle: young looks like a back up. Stott as his BEST case. pete and knipp are whatevers. Cijntje is cool, but given the rest of the package, I'd have to get anderson or sloan instead.

Yankees could be interesting. Give me dominguez, kilby and one of lagrange or cruz and I think that works for both sides. We'd have to move young, but we could roll with an OF/DH rotation of crews/wood/lile/dominguez

San Francisco's system is absolutely awful. The last couple years I've seen their AA ~20 times a year and a handful for their A+. Besides Eldridge, there is little above A ball. There are maybe 2 or 3 lottery tickets whose upside is fringe. You either get one of the two headliners out of that system or you're getting nothing in terms of prospect value. I don't know what happened there, but there is essentially no development happening in that system now in the mid-minors, at least on the position player side.

Seattle's package in that proposal isn't bad. Peete will pop. He was very young for A+ last year and looked ready for AA by the end of the year; it didn't hurt that they got a few extra games because they played through the NWL playoffs (and won). The guy I'd really try to get into a package from them is Farmelo. He missed a lot of last year, but is likewise AA-ready and is also from Northern Virginia (Centreville HS). It's not ideal that they're both OFs and at least Peete likely keeps growing into more of a corner guy, but you gotta take value.

That said, I doubt the Mariners are willing to trade again with the Nats, and especially not to put Abrams at a new position next to a guy with similar defensive issues. Anderson is also near off-limits per Seattle media. I can't imagine they'd put him in an Abrams trade, and I have no clue why Seattle would want Garcia.

Slateman · « **Reply #696 on:** January 29, 2026, 02:59:30 pm »

Eh, I just dont think Abrams is worth that much. A lot of blue on that savant page

blue911 · « **Reply #697 on:** January 29, 2026, 03:24:41 pm »

I don’t see García as a pot sweetener for anybody but the Nats.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #698 on:** January 29, 2026, 04:16:39 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on January 29, 2026, 03:24:41 pm

I don’t see García as a pot sweetener for anybody but the Nats.

you take Garcia and we give you a price break?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #699 on:** February 11, 2026, 11:55:31 am »

In terms of Boston deals, I think we have to wait until mid-season to let some of their recent acquisitions, player development, and injuries play out and for some Nats players to establish / firm up value.

On their end, they could give Yoshida at bats for a while against righties, especially if they move Duran to the Astros in a Paredes deal. Were there a deal for Paredes, then I could see a bit of a squeeze in the infield, so maybe a Durbin becomes available as a 2B (or IKF gets dumped for salary space). Yoshida probably needs to be dumped no later than when Casas comes back. They will give Casas a run at DH.

On our end, I've thought a Ruiz for Yoshida swap make sense because the total payment streams are comparable with Ruiz's having a substantially lower CBT hit because it is stretched out for 5 years instead of 2. If playing him at the start of the year while Ford plays AAA lets Ruiz show he's passable as a backup catcher then maybe that's some value to the Red Sox on top of the CBT implications (they could simply cut Keibert instead and still get the CBT benefit). I also think that Young may have a bit of value to the Sox if he shows he can hit well enough as a short-side of a platoon player. He might be the only cheap acquisition out there that could give almost as much defensive value as Rafaela, which would give the Sox some flexibility again with Rafaela. Of course, no Paredes, the CJ to second base also becomes attractive to them, while we could perhaps get Durbin back in the package. Durbin would be valuable here as an infield piece.