The ZDK Trade Proposal Extravaganza Thread To End All Threads #OhYeah

[Elvir Ovcina]

Assuming Desmond accepts the QO; you know, if LaRussa were still with the Cards, I'd bet he'd do that trade.

There is the other minor problem, which is that Heyward is also a free agent.  I believe HalfSmokes might have just gotten you to bite on a bit of a fishing trip.

[HalfSmokes]

the trade makes as much sense as anything else in this thread

[BrandonK]

the trade makes as much sense as anything else in this thread

nobody invited you

[Elvir Ovcina]

the trade makes as much sense as anything else in this thread

It does.  I liked it. I thought it might be a better idea to package Desmond, Span, and Zimmermann to see if we could get Greinke or Price, though.

[zimm_da_kid]

Sign Jason Heyward 8 yr/$192M
Sign Zack Greinke 5 yr/$145M
Sign Tyler Clippard 2 yr/$12M

Stephen Strasburg, Yunel Escobar
FOR
Jose Bautista

AJ Cole, Reynaldo Lopez, Erik Fedde, Andrew Stevenson, Pedro Severino, Anderson Franco
FOR
Jonathon Lucroy, Wil Smith

Lucas Giolito, Tanner Roark, Victor Robles, Wilmer Difo, Jakson Reetz,
FOR
Chris Archer, Logan Forsythe


Lineup:
SS Trea Turner                  R
RF Jayson Heyward      L
3B Anthony Rendon           R
CF Bryce Harper              L
LF Jose Bautista              R
C  Jonathon Lucroy      R
1B Ryan Zimmerman           R
2B Logan Forsythe      R

Bench:
C. Robinson L, J. Lobaton S, M. den dekker L, D. Espinosa S

Rotation:
1.  Scherzer
2. Greinke 
3. Archer
4. Gio
5. Ross

Bullpen:
Kimbrel, Papelbon, Storen, Clippard, Smith, Rivero, Stammen

[varoadking]

What did we give up for Kimbrel?

[Mr Clean]

Sign Jason Heyward 8 yr/$192M
Sign Zack Greinke 5 yr/$145M
Sign Tyler Clippard 2 yr/$12M

Stephen Strasburg, Yunel Escobar
FOR
Jose Bautista

AJ Cole, Reynaldo Lopez, Erik Fedde, Andrew Stevenson, Pedro Severino, Anderson Franco
FOR
Jonathon Lucroy, Wil Smith

Lucas Giolito, Tanner Roark, Victor Robles, Wilmer Difo, Jakson Reetz,
FOR
Chris Archer, Logan Forsythe


Lineup:
SS Trea Turner                  R
RF Jayson Heyward      L
3B Anthony Rendon           R
CF Bryce Harper              L
LF Jose Bautista              R
C  Jonathon Lucroy      R
1B Ryan Zimmerman           R
2B Logan Forsythe      R

Bench:
C. Robinson L, J. Lobaton S, M. den dekker L, D. Espinosa S

Rotation:
1.  Scherzer
2. Greinke 
3. Archer
4. Gio
5. Ross

Bullpen:
Kimbrel, Papelbon, Storen, Clippard, Smith, Rivero, Stammen

Sign Jason Heyward 8 yr/$192M
Sign Zack Greinke 5 yr/$145M
Sign Tyler Clippard 2 yr/$12M

Stephen Strasburg, Yunel Escobar
FOR
Jose Bautista

AJ Cole, Reynaldo Lopez, Erik Fedde, Andrew Stevenson, Pedro Severino, Anderson Franco
FOR
Jonathon Lucroy, Wil Smith

Lucas Giolito, Tanner Roark, Victor Robles, Wilmer Difo, Jakson Reetz,
FOR
Chris Archer, Logan Forsythe


Lineup:
SS Trea Turner                  R
RF Jayson Heyward      L
3B Anthony Rendon           R
CF Bryce Harper              L
LF Jose Bautista              R
C  Jonathon Lucroy      R
1B Ryan Zimmerman           R
2B Logan Forsythe      R

Bench:
C. Robinson L, J. Lobaton S, M. den dekker L, D. Espinosa S

Rotation:
1.  Scherzer
2. Greinke 
3. Archer
4. Gio
5. Ross

Bullpen:
Kimbrel, Papelbon, Storen, Clippard, Smith, Rivero, Stammen

Now that's an offseason for you. Holy crap. I like it. Wait, you're trading Giolito? No way.

[BrandonK]

What did we give up for Kimbrel?

Magic

[Elvir Ovcina]

Magic

Presumably Werth, or we DFA'ed him and his $21M salary.  Ramos seems to have vanished too.  It's a convenient  pair of disappearances, too, otherwise that team's payroll would be right about at $200 million.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

hey, um, on Millar's show today, they said Heyman suggested Strasburg for Andrew Miller.  Yanks have the bullpen depth, need SP . . .

[aspenbubba]

Zim da Kid seems to be inspired by the Padres GM or is smoking something that his parents didn't find when they  searched his room.

[wpa2629]

omg

lol

[KnorrForYourMoney]

[zimm_da_kid]

What did we give up for Kimbrel?

The Updated Edition

SS Trea Turner      R
RF Jayson Heyward      L
3B Anthony Rendon   R
CF Bryce Harper      L
LF Jose Bautista      R
C  Jonathon Lucroy      R
1B Ryan Zimmerman   R
2B Logan Forsythe      R
C. Robinson L, J. Lobaton S, M. den dekker L, D. Espinosa S

1.  Scherzer
2. Greinke 
3. Archer
4. Gio
5. Ross
Kimbrel, Papelbon, Storen, Clippard, Smith, Rivero, Stammen

Sign Jason Heyward 8 yr/$192M
Sign Zack Greinke 5 yr/$140M
Sign Tyler Clippard 2 yr/$12M

Stephen Strasburg, Yunel Escobar
FOR
Jose Bautista

AJ Cole, Reynaldo Lopez, Andrew Stevenson, Pedro Severino, Anderson Franco
FOR
Jonathon Lucroy, Wil Smith

Wilson Ramos, Tanner Roark, Michael Taylor, Victor Robles, Erik Fedde, Wilmer Difo, Jakson Reetz,
FOR
Chris Archer, Logan Forsythe

Jayson Werth, $20M, Austin Voth
FOR
Craig Kimbrel

[Vega]

Kimbrel is worth significantly more than that, bro. You'd have to match what they gave up to get him since he hasn't lost value and still is controllable.

[spidernat]

Wilson Ramos, Tanner Roark, Michael Taylor, Victor Robles, Erik Fedde, Wilmer Difo, Jakson Reetz,
FOR
Chris Archer, Logan Forsythe

Jayson Werth, $20M, Austin Voth
FOR
Craig Kimbrel

[spidernat]

Kimbrel is worth significantly more than that, bro. You'd have to match what they gave up to get him since he hasn't lost value and still is controllable.

Plus the part about the cash is not happening.

[Elvir Ovcina]

So, in a series of trades (several of which the other team would laugh at), the Nats give up 16 players for 5, destroy almost their entire farm system, and still end up with a team that has significant questions and almost no depth (for example, what happens to that team if a starting pitcher gets hurt?  What if any of the three outfielders get hurt at all?  What if any of the starting infielders besides Zimmerman get hurt?).  Besides Giolito, whose existence somehow hasn't been a stumbling block in the new round of trades in which his name would be the first mentioned by the other side, there is nothing in terms of starters left above...well, anywhere.  If any position player besides Zimmerman gets hurt, then Espinosa/den Dekker slides in and you have no backup infielder or outfielders besides...well, who?

[HalfSmokes]

So, in a series of trades (several of which the other team would laugh at), the Nats give up 16 players for 5, destroy almost their entire farm system, and still end up with a team that has significant questions and almost no depth (for example, what happens to that team if a starting pitcher gets hurt?  What if any of the three outfielders get hurt at all?  What if any of the starting infielders besides Zimmerman get hurt?).  Besides Giolito, whose existence somehow hasn't been a stumbling block in the new round of trades in which his name would be the first mentioned by the other side, there is nothing in terms of starters left above...well, anywhere.  If any position player besides Zimmerman gets hurt, then Espinosa/den Dekker slides in and you have no backup infielder or outfielders besides...well, who?

Don't forget the extra $350 million in contracts

[varoadking]

One thing certain...no matter who we have on the 25 man roster on opening day, Mike Rizzo will be happy with the team he constructed.

[spidernat]

One thing certain...no matter who we have on the 25 man roster on opening day, Mike Rizzo will be happy with the team he constructed.

And you and Slate will be arguing back and forth about who is greater Roark or Scherzer.

[zimm_da_kid]

So, in a series of trades (several of which the other team would laugh at), the Nats give up 16 players for 5, destroy almost their entire farm system, and still end up with a team that has significant questions and almost no depth (for example, what happens to that team if a starting pitcher gets hurt?  What if any of the three outfielders get hurt at all?  What if any of the starting infielders besides Zimmerman get hurt?).  Besides Giolito, whose existence somehow hasn't been a stumbling block in the new round of trades in which his name would be the first mentioned by the other side, there is nothing in terms of starters left above...well, anywhere.  If any position player besides Zimmerman gets hurt, then Espinosa/den Dekker slides in and you have no backup infielder or outfielders besides...well, who?

6 actually

[imref]

any fantasy GM that doesn't have us getting Trout in his scenario should be ashamed of himself.

[Elvir Ovcina]

6 actually

I'm sorry.  Sixteen players for six.  "What?  There's a hole below the water line?  Quick, rearrange the deck chairs."

[zimm_da_kid]

THE BlUEPRINT

Stephen Strasburg, Yunel Escobar, Jonathon Papelbon
FOR
Jose Bautista, DJ Davis

Erik Fedde, Austin Voth, Pedro Severino, Anderson Franco
FOR
Jonathon Lucroy, Will Smith

Reynaldo Lopez, Wilmer Difo 
FOR
Craig Kimbrel

Lucas Giolito, Victor Robles, AJ Cole, Jakson Reetz
FOR
Chris Archer, Brad Boxberger

Sign Jason Heyward 8 yr/$192M
Sign Zack Greinke 5 yr/$150M w/ 6th year vesting option @ 400IP in 2019-2020 worth $30M w/ $5M buyout


Lineup:

LF Werth      R
RF Heyward   L
2B Rendon      R
CF Harper      L
3B Bautista   R
C   Lucroy      R
1B Zimmerman   R
SS Turner      R


Bench:

C. Robinson (1B, LF)      L
M. Taylor (OF)         R
M. Den Dekker (OF)      L
D. Espinosa (IF, LF)      S
J. Lobaton (C)         S


Rotation:

1.   Greinke
2.   Scherzer
3.   Archer
4.   Gio
5.   Ross

Bullpen:

CL: Kimbrel
SU: Storen
SU: Rivero (L)
MI: Smith (L)
MI: Stammen
MI: Boxberger
LR:  Roark

Depth: Treinen, De Los Santos, Grace, Solis, Harper Glover


2015 Payroll
$162,014,559

2016 Payroll Spread
*using mlbtr arb predictions

Zack Greinke            $30,000,000
Jayson Heyward            $22,000,000
Jayson Werth            $21,000,000
Max Scherzer            $15,000,000   
Ryan Zimmerman         $14,000,000
Jose Bautista            $14,000,000
Gio                        $12,100,000
Craig Kimbrel            $11,000,000
Drew Storen            $8,300,000
Bryce Harper            $5,000,000
Jonathon Lucroy            $4,000,000
Chris Archer            $2,900,000
Danny Espinosa            $2,700,000
Anthony Rendon            $2,500,000
Craig Stammen            $2,400,000
Jose Lobaton            $1,500,000
Will Smith                    $1,200,000
Tanner Roark            $507,500
Joe Ross               $507,500
Trea Turner            $507,500
Felipe Rivero            $507,500
Aaron Barrett            $507,500
Clint Robinson            $507,500
Michael Taylor            $507,500
Matt Den Dekker         $507,500
Brad Boxberger            $507,500
Blake Treinen            $507,500

Total 2016 Projected Payroll:

$175,182,500