2015-2016 Offseason Discussion Thread

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I know it's meaningful to the results of the series and to Nats fans and players, but my point is that it is NOT meaningful as a predictor of his future performance.

Storen's a choke artist, plain and simple.  His mistakes in the postseason weren't the result of any sort of fluke; it was all pitch selection and location choice.  He had long, drawn-out innings wherein he was making the same mistakes over and over, refusing or neglecting to make adjustments.  Combine that with his deer in the headlights look, and it's pretty evident that he doesn't seem to have the nerve for high leverage situations.  Could he overcome this?  Sure, but I'm doubting that any executive who paid attention to those outings won't count it against him.

[Mattionals]

Not for a 4/5. They would be much better off going after Leake, Chen, or Cueto

MLBTR has both Chen and Leake getting 5/80. That is 16 a year and Gio is better than them by the numbers. Cueto is obviously better, but even if his market comes back down, which I hope it does because I would be willing to see the Nats give him the same deal Zimmerman signed for, he is still more expensive. Gio is a number 3 on most rotations and at 12 Million is a steal on value. Plus he is controlled for another two seasons.

[whytev]

Not for a 4/5. They would be much better off going after Leake, Chen, or Cueto

And so would we. Which is why I'd rather trade him and then sign one of those guys than trade prospects for OF help.

[Mattionals]

And so would we. Which is why I'd rather trade him and then sign one of those guys than trade prospects for OF help.

You aren't trading Gio to get an OF or IF. Gio is only smart for a team that needs a pitcher and is designed to win now, or apparently the Marlins.

[zimm_da_kid]

Indians want a bat.  I know it hasn't been mentioned, but maybe they'd make Kluber available for the right bat.  Im thinking Rendon for Kluber?

[Slateman]

MLBTR has both Chen and Leake getting 5/80. That is 16 a year and Gio is better than them by the numbers. Cueto is obviously better, but even if his market comes back down, which I hope it does because I would be willing to see the Nats give him the same deal Zimmerman signed for, he is still more expensive. Gio is a number 3 on most rotations and at 12 Million is a steal on value. Plus he is controlled for another two seasons.

Gio is getting worse while Leake is in his prime and Chen is maintaining. Move Gio to the Yankees and he's a mid 4 to low 5 ERA pitcher. That is simply not worth 12 million, nor worth giving up Miller for. They Yankees don't want Betances closing. Right now they can bring him in to the game whenever they want and use him to get to late inning match ups they want.

[Slateman]

Indians want a bat.  I know it hasn't been mentioned, but maybe they'd make Kluber available for the right bat.  Im thinking Rendon for Kluber?

No. We need more bats, not fewer

[Mattionals]

Gio is getting worse while Leake is in his prime and Chen is maintaining. Move Gio to the Yankees and he's a mid 4 to low 5 ERA pitcher. That is simply not worth 12 million, nor worth giving up Miller for. They Yankees don't want Betances closing. Right now they can bring him in to the game whenever they want and use him to get to late inning match ups they want.

Why is Gio magically a 4 or 5 ERA pitcher in NY? He has upped his groundball rate as his fastball declined and his FIP is still much better than his ERA. He suppresses homers and still strikes out more than 8 per 9 innings. He also would have led the Yankees staff in innings last season. Chen has a much worse FIP, much higher HR/9, and lower K/9. He is only better in innings than Gio. Gio is actually younger than Chen as well. The only thing that Leake has is two years of age, but hewas worse by every metric. He even was worse at holding back homers in SF than in Cincy.

Again, unless the Yankees pursue Cueto, Gio is a better option for 3 years at 12 Million a season, and if money is a factor, than Gio seems quite appealing.

[imref]

An article arguing that the Braves should trade Freeman:
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/159300696/atlanta-braves-should-trade-freddie-freeman

I can think of no better fit for this team than Freddy Freeman, a solid fielding, power/average hitting LH batter.  Put him at first, with Zimm coming of the bench and playing 1B/LF and in a worst-case scenario, 3B.

Would Giolito be enough to snag him?   Thinking about a lineup of Turner/Rendon/Harper/Freeman makes me   It gets even better if we resign Span and he's healthy.

[PC]

Not for a 4/5. They would be much better off going after Leake, Chen, or Cueto

JA Happ signed for 3yr/$36M.

[BrandonK]

JA Happ signed for 3yr/$36M.

Exactly.

[PC]

And JA Happ is 3 years older than Gio.

[Vega]

And JA Happ is 3 years older than Gio.

And Toronto is goddamn stupid.

[BrandonK]

And Toronto is goddamn stupid.

So they'd give Gio over $100M?

[Vega]

It's getting late and I'm losing my train of thought

Thank God.

[Lintyfresh85]

This move would be coupled with

1.  Extending Strasburg 3 yr/$93M w/  4 $32M player options
2.  Extend Harper 15 yr/$525M ($35MAAV) w/ substantial performance encentives, backloaded so we can
Be dominant in his prime
3.  Signing Cueto 5 yr/$120M ($24MAAV) w/$24M vesting option.  I dig the dusty connection.
4.  Sign Greg Holland to a 3 yr/$24M deal (missing 2016 due to TJ)
4.  Trade Gio, Roark, Ross, Taylor, Storen, Papelbon, Werth, and any prospects except for Giolito and Turner for the following:

2 out of Trout, Buxton, Stanton, Yelich, Soler,

1 out of Miller, Chapman
1 of the Rangers available relievers (hopefully Kela, 2nd choice Tolleson)

Acquire a third baseman from the massive player shuffle, which will now be referred to as the MPS. Bryant, Donaldson, Gallo, Seager.  Or trade for Miggy, have him play 1st, and move Zimmerman back to 3rd.
Third baseman could also be Nobuhiro Matsuda, who reportedly could take just a two year deal.

Get a starting MI to go with turner.   Gordon, Kipnis, etc.

It's getting late and I'm losing my train of thought

http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=33452.0

[Slateman]

Why is Gio magically a 4 or 5 ERA pitcher in NY? He has upped his groundball rate as his fastball declined and his FIP is still much better than his ERA. He suppresses homers and still strikes out more than 8 per 9 innings. He also would have led the Yankees staff in innings last season. Chen has a much worse FIP, much higher HR/9, and lower K/9. He is only better in innings than Gio. Gio is actually younger than Chen as well. The only thing that Leake has is two years of age, but hewas worse by every metric. He even was worse at holding back homers in SF than in Cincy.

Again, unless the Yankees pursue Cueto, Gio is a better option for 3 years at 12 Million a season, and if money is a factor, than Gio seems quite appealing.

Because the AL has a DH.

2012: 2.89
2013: 3.36
2014: 3.57
2015: 3.79

Last year he had the worst ERA, lowest strikeout rate since 2010, worst walk rate since 2011

Noticing a trend? He's probably heading for 4.00 ERA territory here. His groundball rate has nothing to do with it. You move him to a tiny AL park with a DH (in a division with some monsters at DH for that matter) and Gio Gonalez is nothing more than a 4/5.

And Toronto is goddamn stupid.

This.

[BrandonK]

Acquire a third baseman from the massive player shuffle, which will now be referred to as the MPS.

   

Fantasy draft every off season?! You're a radical dude! #theMPS2015

[BigMeech]

Just sign a bunch of cheap guys for minimum wage (MLB-wise) and then enter the sliders menu and raise their potential to 99.

Rizzo is just too low-energy.  Very sad!

[Slateman]

Just sign a bunch of cheap guys for minimum wage (MLB-wise) and then enter the sliders menu and raise their potential to 99.

Rizzo is just too low-energy.  Very sad!

Rizzo knows he's out the door at the end of 2016.

[BigMeech]

Rizzo knows he's out the door at the end of 2016.

Hopefully Trump buys the team since he'll be in DC for the next eight years starting in January of 2017.

He'll get us Mike Trout for Brian Goodwin.  He'll negotiate a team-friendly deal with Bryce Harper.  Hell, he'd probably get Werth and Zimmerman to renegotiate the remainder of their deals.

We need a high-energy owner; not the lazy and cheap Lerners.

[varoadking]

Rizzo knows he's out the door at the end of 2016.

[mitlen]

Hopefully Trump buys the team since he'll be in DC for the next eight years starting in January of 2017.

 

[zimm_da_kid]

Hopefully Trump buys the team since he'll be in DC for the next eight years starting in January of 2017.

He'll get us Mike Trout for Brian Goodwin.  He'll negotiate a team-friendly deal with Bryce Harper.  Hell, he'd probably get Werth and Zimmerman to renegotiate the remainder of their deals.

We need a high-energy owner; not the lazy and cheap Lerners.

He'd be more Mark Cuban than Mark Cuban

[Ray D]

He'd be more Mark Cuban than Mark Cuban

Except he wouldn't let any Cubans in.