Author Topic: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015) (Read 159625 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #1975 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:03:17 am »

Seems like there should be a player of the year award for each league and an MVP for MLB as a whole.

Ray D · « **Reply #1976 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:24:19 am »

Quote from: Slateman on September 15, 2015, 10:03:17 am

Seems like there should be a player of the year award for each league and an MVP for MLB as a whole.

I don't know the exact breakdown or history but I know that the NFL makes a distinction between "best" and "most valuable". I clearly recall that Larry Brown was Player of the Year in 1972. Not MVP, Player of the Year. And that Mark Mosely was MVP in 1982. Clearly, Mosely was not remotely considered the best player, but he was deemed the most valuable.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1977 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:30:42 am »

Quote from: dx on September 14, 2015, 08:57:39 pm

Haha ok you got me, clearly it's just my opinion, but at the same time to me it's common sense. The best statistical player if it's not close, and if it's extremely close then the person who really helped his team win the most.

So...Harper. Nice to see a Mets fan acknowledge this.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1978 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:32:18 am »

Best hitter on a playoff team, if no one stands out, best pitcher on a playoff team, if you still can't find anyone, best statistics overall

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1979 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:31:50 am »

Quote from: dx on September 15, 2015, 11:26:16 am

Best pitcher on a playoff team - no, unless it's a shockingly fantastic season and there are no stellar hitters numbers-wise that year

Kershaw in 2014 seems like a good example, Stanton could have gotten it, but his team sucked

MorseTheHorse · « **Reply #1980 on:** September 15, 2015, 09:06:26 pm »

Quote from: MorseTheHorse on September 14, 2015, 10:52:38 pm

Cespedes' September has been unreal as has the Mets'. I think he has a legitimate case for NL MVP.

Ok j/k. My bad Bryce, my bad!!!

Mr Clean · « **Reply #1981 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:16:56 pm »

Doesn't Bryce now have 9 HRs in the last 11 games?

NatsGirl · « **Reply #1982 on:** September 15, 2015, 10:37:03 pm »

Leads the NL in homers!

imref · « **Reply #1983 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:08:19 pm »

1.134 OPS. Best since Bonds.

6th in RBIs now as well.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1984 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:10:24 pm »

Break the bank on this guy. Do it this winter.

skippy1999 · « **Reply #1985 on:** September 15, 2015, 11:27:07 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 15, 2015, 11:10:24 pm

Break the bank on this guy. Do it this winter.

100% agree, he is something special.

PC · « **Reply #1986 on:** September 16, 2015, 12:08:17 am »

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 3h3 hours ago

Bryce Harper for NL MVP, Kris Bryant for NL Rookie of the Year. And Harper is the younger one.

mitlen · « **Reply #1987 on:** September 16, 2015, 06:15:11 am »

Might have been the MLB network but there was a comparison of the numbers for 2015 for Trout, Harper and Donaldson. Harper looked pretty damn good. I liked his interview after the game as well. I see him emerging as the leader on this team. He still has his young'un moments but overall, he's the guy you want long term. Pay the man.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1988 on:** September 16, 2015, 10:50:48 am »

Yep, the only question that remains about this guy is his ability to stay healthy. He has the talent, the attitude, the drive....

rbw5t · « **Reply #1989 on:** September 16, 2015, 11:11:57 am »

Quote from: imref on September 15, 2015, 11:08:19 pm

1.134 OPS. Best since Bonds.

6th in RBIs now as well.

Looking back down the list at OPS+ is pretty impressive too. Best in a long time, especially for someone not named Bonds. Would be pretty much impossible to not give him MVP with an OPS+ over 200. (Currently at 204, so might not finish over 200, but still!)

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1990 on:** September 16, 2015, 11:44:46 am »

Pay the guy and extend him please. A couple of flaws as others have pointed out and still has some growing (emotionally) to do but they need to get this done.

NJ Ave · « **Reply #1991 on:** September 16, 2015, 12:02:05 pm »

It's a better season than peak Pujols. It would be absolutely crazy for him not to win MVP in my opinion. There is no Miguel Cabrera out there.

Ray D · « **Reply #1992 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:02:53 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on September 16, 2015, 11:44:46 am

Pay the guy and extend him please.

He is not extendible. He's a Boras client.

deeznatz · « **Reply #1993 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:06:48 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on September 16, 2015, 02:02:53 pm

He is not extendible. He's a Boras client.

well he's a fool. do you know what kind of risk he's taking waiting for three more years and all teh possibilities of injury and regression? He could sign for 300-400 million right now, and still be a FA in his lat 20s or early 30s. If I was staring that kind of money in the face i'd eliminate the risk asap.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1994 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:09:05 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on September 16, 2015, 02:02:53 pm

He is not extendible. He's a Boras client.

All is possible; as pointed out below he is taking a major risk by waiting.

sizzlin · « **Reply #1995 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:17:21 pm »

Yea I'd say the best thing for Harper and the Nats would be to do a 6 or 7 year extension then he can sign another huge contract when he is 28 or 29.

Ray D · « **Reply #1996 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:32:24 pm »

Quote from: deeznatz on September 16, 2015, 02:06:48 pm

If I was staring that kind of money in the face i'd eliminate the risk asap.

You wouldn't have chosen Boras for an agent. If Harper is willing to defy Boras, then why did he chose him for an agent? The answer is obvious, Boras gets alot of money for his clients. But if you chose him, you do what he tells you.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1997 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:37:03 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on September 16, 2015, 02:32:24 pm

You wouldn't have chosen Boras for an agent. If Harper is willing to defy Boras, then why did he chose him for an agent? The answer is obvious, Boras gets alot of money for his clients. But if you chose him, you do what he tells you.

It's always better to get more money up front since it is worth more than future dollars--so if he can get lots more money the next two years by signing a new contract that could outweigh any benefits down the road. And as noted he came up so young he could sign for 5-7 years and still get another big free agent contract after that. If he wants to look in his own clubhouse for an example of the waiting risk he can do that with Ryan Z.

rbw5t · « **Reply #1998 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:39:00 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on September 16, 2015, 02:32:24 pm

You wouldn't have chosen Boras for an agent. If Harper is willing to defy Boras, then why did he chose him for an agent? The answer is obvious, Boras gets alot of money for his clients. But if you chose him, you do what he tells you.

And (unfortunately for us), in Bryce's case the direction from Boras is more entrenched than in most others. Boras masterminded the Bryce's long term plan from early on, including finishing high school early (with a GED?) and starting in a wood bat JUCO league so he would be ready to be drafted after having already played 2 years of wood bat college ball as an 18 year old. It was a great plan and it's hard to argue with the results. An important part of the plan was also starting the clock early so that Bryce would hit full free agency as young as possible. There is no extension in the offing.

Ray D · « **Reply #1999 on:** September 16, 2015, 02:53:46 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on September 16, 2015, 02:37:03 pm

It's always better to get more money up front since it is worth more than future dollars--so if he can get lots more money the next two years by signing a new contract that could outweigh any benefits down the road. And as noted he came up so young he could sign for 5-7 years and still get another big free agent contract after that. If he wants to look in his own clubhouse for an example of the waiting risk he can do that with Ryan Z.

Well my point is that he's going to have to drop Boras as his agent if he wants to sign an extension. I agree, it would be the smart thing to do, but I don't think he's willing to drop Boras.

There is precedent. ARod defied Boras and went back to the Yankees on his own after Boras had rejected the Yankee's offer.

But I still don't think Harper will do it.