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Offline mimontero88

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #925 on: May 22, 2015, 11:47:21 am »
going into the game 70% of his ejections were Nats going into the game- maybe it's a little much to except his crew chief to be aware of that and to talk to him before the game. and god forbid anyone ever show up an ump, worlds would end, just yes sir, no sir, eyes down cast, that's the way to go
66% and why would you expect Joyce to know something that frankly was completely obscure to the non-Nats fan world until this year especially since Hudson wasn't even on Joyce's crew until this season.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #927 on: May 22, 2015, 11:50:23 am »
66% and why would you expect Joyce to know something that frankly was completely obscure to the non-Nats fan world until this year especially since Hudson wasn't even on Joyce's crew until this season.
I would assume the crew chiefs keep track of things like that. Joyce is one of the veterans so sounds like they moved him this year to get some closer supervision from a top guy. Probably not working out too well but as you say he will not be shown up during the game.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #928 on: May 22, 2015, 11:55:35 am »
I would assume the crew chiefs keep track of things like that. Joyce is one of the veterans so sounds like they moved him this year to get some closer supervision from a top guy. Probably not working out too well but as you say he will not be shown up during the game.
I doubt they would keep track of ejections by team.  That's not an issue you expect to come up from people who, above all, are supposed to be impartial.  Honestly I'm not sure I can think of a single case where an ump has been found to be targeting a specific team outside of this one.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #929 on: May 22, 2015, 12:31:30 pm »
I doubt they would keep track of ejections by team.  That's not an issue you expect to come up from people who, above all, are supposed to be impartial.  Honestly I'm not sure I can think of a single case where an ump has been found to be targeting a specific team outside of this one.
I'm sure it has happened and that teams have complained they or their players have been targeted. 

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #930 on: May 22, 2015, 12:41:25 pm »
He should be banned from umping our games.  He's thrown out 8 players, 6 were Nationals.
66% and why would you expect Joyce to know something that frankly was completely obscure to the non-Nats fan world until this year especially since Hudson wasn't even on Joyce's crew until this season.

unless mr clean was wrong, he's at 6 out of 8 nats, so going into the game, 5 out of 7- 5/7 = .71- not sure where you get 66%

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #931 on: May 22, 2015, 02:14:36 pm »
unless mr clean was wrong, he's at 6 out of 8 nats, so going into the game, 5 out of 7- 5/7 = .71- not sure where you get 66%

If he's 6 out of 8 then before the game he was 4 out of 6 (as he ejected both Harper and Williams) which makes it 66%.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #932 on: May 22, 2015, 02:21:12 pm »
You know what's crazy? Derek Jeter played 20 years of baseball at the highest level and never got ejected once.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #933 on: May 22, 2015, 02:26:46 pm »
crazy irrelevant

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #934 on: May 22, 2015, 02:34:04 pm »
You know what's crazy? Derek Jeter played 20 years of baseball at the highest level and never got ejected once.

Did a home plate umpire ever yell, "Get your ass in the batters box" at him?  If so, I take it that he meekly did as he was told?

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #935 on: May 22, 2015, 02:51:06 pm »
unless mr clean was wrong, he's at 6 out of 8 nats, so going into the game, 5 out of 7- 5/7 = .71- not sure where you get 66%
He ejected two Nats in the game so he was at 4 of 6.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #936 on: May 22, 2015, 02:54:47 pm »
I think the problem was that after Harper argued the strike call and got back in the batter's box to resume his AB the umpire would not let it go and continued to jaw at him. Then when Williams starting chirping with the umpire Harper stepped out and the umpire lied to Williams in saying that the problem was that he was trying to get Harper to get back in the batter's box. That's when Harper showed him that he had been in the batter's box all along and that pissed off the umpire and he ran him. The umpire should be sanctioned.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #937 on: May 22, 2015, 02:57:20 pm »
crazy irrelevant

Relevant enough for you to say something bub

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #938 on: May 22, 2015, 03:12:32 pm »
If he's 6 out of 8 then before the game he was 4 out of 6 (as he ejected both Harper and Williams) which makes it 66%.
He ejected two Nats in the game so he was at 4 of 6.

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since when is williams a player

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #939 on: May 22, 2015, 03:14:06 pm »
I think the problem was that after Harper argued the strike call and got back in the batter's box to resume his AB the umpire would not let it go and continued to jaw at him. Then when Williams starting chirping with the umpire Harper stepped out and the umpire lied to Williams in saying that the problem was that he was trying to get Harper to get back in the batter's box. That's when Harper showed him that he had been in the batter's box all along and that pissed off the umpire and he ran him. The umpire should be sanctioned.

Yes.  I don't understand why Hudson causing the mess isn't noticed more.

Maybe I'm the only one that missed this, but it looks like the initial argument was about being in the box.  Harper complained about strike one, but after that you can see on the video in the split second before the replay that he stepped out of the box.  Then when he was getting set for the next pitch, you can see Hudson is still over Harper's shoulder talking to him.  Harper is completely ignorning him, but Williams must have said something because that's when Hudson says stop.  Then Harper doesn't even leave the box until Hudson takes a few steps towards the dugout.  I can't make out most of what Hudson says, but he clearly says "box" when he's shouting at Williams, well before he starts motioning to Bryce to get in the box the second time.  So in short, Harper complained about the pitch, stepped out.  Hudson, with the help of the new rule, demanded Harper to get back in.  He did, but Matt Williams took exception to the treatment and things escalated.  I don't think any of the argument that led to the ejection was about balls and strikes.

http://m.mlb.com/video/v123478083/nyywsh-harper-williams-get-ejected-in-the-3rd/?game_pk=414250

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #940 on: May 22, 2015, 03:44:50 pm »
Once Hudson took his mask off and started walking towards Williams, then Harper absolutely should have been allowed to leave the box.  In fact, it's what you'd want him to do.  If Hudson jawed at Harper about leaving the box after he left his spot, then that is ridiculous.  It is ridiculous too that he called that a strike after the even more ridiculous ball called as a strike the night before.  It neutralizes Harper's talents if they aren't going to let him take walks anymore.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #941 on: May 22, 2015, 03:47:22 pm »
A civilized nation would burn Hudson ' s home town to the ground.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #942 on: May 22, 2015, 03:47:33 pm »
since when is williams a player


From this article posted by mimontero88:

http://wtop.com/washington-nationals/2015/05/column-marvin-hudson-is-a-stooge/


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Consider this: Hudson has ejected just eight players or managers since September of 2012, a number that is quite reasonable and fewer than a good number of his peers. But of those eight, six have been Washington Nationals.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #943 on: May 22, 2015, 03:55:13 pm »
What's crazy is that Hudson still isn't even close to the worst umpire in baseball:

http://deadspin.com/5921152/better-know-an-umpire-hunter-wendelstedt

The fact that people like these two assclowns, Joe West, and Angel Hernandez are allowed to be ML umpires should be proof enough that umpires are above the rules and nothing will happen to Hudson.  If any of you really believe that, please give me a call about some oceanfront property in South Dakota I can sell you.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #944 on: May 22, 2015, 03:57:34 pm »
Ron Luciano wasn't allowed to umpire Orioles games.
Jim Wolf wasn't allowed to umpire when Randy Wolf pitched.
Bill Haller wasn't allowed to umpire when Tom Haller played.

MLB has always restricted umpires when their objectivity could be questioned.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #945 on: May 22, 2015, 03:59:10 pm »
What's crazy is that Hudson still isn't even close to the worst umpire in baseball:

http://deadspin.com/5921152/better-know-an-umpire-hunter-wendelstedt

The fact that people like these two assclowns, Joe West, and Angel Hernandez are allowed to be ML umpires should be proof enough that umpires are above the rules and nothing will happen to Hudson.  If any of you really believe that, please give me a call about some oceanfront property in South Dakota I can sell you.

My dream for all baseball fans is for the umps to be replaced by robots. I'll accept electronic strikes calls in the meantime. Instant replay has proven how many calls they get wrong when I thought it would work the exact opposite way. So robots all the way.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #946 on: May 22, 2015, 03:59:41 pm »
What's crazy is that Hudson still isn't even close to the worst umpire in baseball:

http://deadspin.com/5921152/better-know-an-umpire-hunter-wendelstedt

The fact that people like these two assclowns, Joe West, and Angel Hernandez are allowed to be ML umpires should be proof enough that umpires are above the rules and nothing will happen to Hudson.  If any of you really believe that, please give me a call about some oceanfront property in South Dakota I can sell you.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #947 on: May 22, 2015, 04:01:58 pm »
The only one of those that sort of parallels this situation is Luciano/Orioles, but what Hudson has done to the Nats still doesn't even come close to the feud between Luciano and Earl Weaver.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #948 on: May 22, 2015, 04:28:20 pm »
What's crazy is that Hudson still isn't even close to the worst umpire in baseball:

http://deadspin.com/5921152/better-know-an-umpire-hunter-wendelstedt

The fact that people like these two assclowns, Joe West, and Angel Hernandez are allowed to be ML umpires should be proof enough that umpires are above the rules and nothing will happen to Hudson.  If any of you really believe that, please give me a call about some oceanfront property in South Dakota I can sell you.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #949 on: May 22, 2015, 04:34:31 pm »
As much as I blame Hudson for running Bam-Bam when, IMO, the kid didn't deserve it - Harper needs to tip toe around these massive egos dressed in blue that everybody pays to watch umpire MLB games. Don't give them an excuse to eject you when it's obvious that they are looking for face time on TV. Expect disrespect and be circumspect, just expectorate and flex your pects and say, "What the heck?"  :shrug: