Ah Mitlen you're too fast for me haha and Gburg I was more thinking that if you get a bunch of guys together who possibly all think their gang is better than your gang and well, crazy things can happen. I wouldn't think the gangs that run crime syndicates would feel the need to have a shootout at a restaurant my daughter went to with her husband and baby in flippin' Waco TX but they apparently did, like I said it just made me view the bikers I see riding en masse in a different light.