Wasting away in Detwilerville

[imref]

Nationals Arms Race argues that Ross is an over-paid mop-up guy whom the organization has lost faith in, and who should be traded for someone who can fill our lack of MLB-ready position player depth.

http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=8896

[HalfSmokes]

So we're going to get an MLB-ready position player for an over-paid mop-up guy?

[Squab]

So we're going to get an MLB-ready position player for a decent left-handed starter?

FTFY.

At least that's how Rizzo would view him in a trade.

[imref]

So we're going to get an MLB-ready position player for an over-paid mop-up guy?

he's thinking of a AAAA type player.

[Slateman]

FTFY.

At least that's how Rizzo would view him in a trade.

Rizzo can view him like that, but he hasn't been a decent starter since 2012.

The issue with Detwiler is that he's never pitched in the pen like this. I putting a lot of this on McCatty and LeCroy. Some on Stammen as well. They need to take him aside, get his head straight, and teach him how to prep in the pen. That might mean micromanaging him a little at first. Get him throwing earlier. Get him some bullpen sessions at 75-80% effort to keep him in the groove.

But it would be foolish to give up on him right now. He would be replaced with either Treinen (which means Treinen can't develop his secondary pitches) or Cedeno (who is a one inning reliever at best, and more likely a lefty specialist).  So we either lose a lefty arm, making Blevins the only one, or we lost a long reliever, putting a lot on Stammen. Neither one of these is acceptable to me. Not yet anyway. Let's work with him, get him a routine, and see if we can fix him.

But the idea that we're going to get a guy who can play at the MLB level seems kind of silly.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Nationals Arms Race argues that Ross is an over-paid mop-up guy whom the organization has lost faith in, and who should be traded for someone who can fill our lack of MLB-ready position player depth.

http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=8896

It comes down to whether you view him as being capable of being a 4th starter.  Personally, I think so, but there's a lot of doubt about his mix of pitches on WNFF and the Nats look like they don't see him as suitable for a starter's role.   The writer's basic point, that the team could probably get something more for him than how they are using him, is probably right.

[tomterp]

With all due respect to Nationals Arms Race, Kilgore's been pounding the topic back from April 28.

Nationals must figure out Ross Detwiler’s role

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2014/04/28/nationals-must-figure-out-ross-detwilers-role/

What are the Nationals doing with Ross Detwiler?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2014/05/06/what-are-the-nationals-doing-with-ross-detwiler-2/

Matt Williams on Ross Detwiler’s usage

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2014/05/07/matt-williams-on-ross-detwilers-usage/

Nationals Arms Race argues that Ross is an over-paid mop-up guy whom the organization has lost faith in, and who should be traded for someone who can fill our lack of MLB-ready position player depth.

http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/?p=8896

[imref]

I recall that a while ago someone did some analysis of his stats and found that except for critical playoff games, he generally falls apart in the 4th and 5th inning.  So you've got a guy who's really suited to be a long reliever, but that's Stammen's role primarily  And for times where you need a LOOGY, you go with Blevins. 

[blue911]

Catch-22. Not pitching well enough to get steady work, needs steady work to get in a groove. Randy Knorr needs to kick his ass again.

[HalfSmokes]

Catch-22. Not pitching well enough to get steady work, needs steady work to get in a groove.

That's the way it is for a lot of players

[blue911]

That's the way it is for a lot of players

Yep, which is why you look at players usage as well as stats.

[Vega]

Should have been willing to include him in that proposed Bourn trade years ago. Rizzo is dumb. Fire his bald ass. Det is crap.

[blue911]

He should have kept the mustache.

[Slateman]

I recall that a while ago someone did some analysis of his stats and found that except for critical playoff games, he generally falls apart in the 4th and 5th inning.  So you've got a guy who's really suited to be a long reliever, but that's Stammen's role primarily  And for times where you need a LOOGY, you go with Blevins. 

Blevins is much better than a LOOGY. If we want one of those, call up Cedeno.

Catch-22. Not pitching well enough to get steady work, needs steady work to get in a groove. Randy Knorr needs to kick his ass again.

Which is where the coaching needs to come in. Like I said, most of this failure is on them right now.

[welch]

I've always thought that Detwiler was a twice-though-the-order guy. Long ago, when Matt Chico was a regular starter, the Nats activated Detiler from the DL and sent Stammen to the minors.
Stanmmen was unhappy, and said so: essentially, the Nats want to use the first round guy so "old Stammen" goes to the minors. (Forget the season, but it was about 209 or 2010.

I think Stammen is a better pitcher -- more pitches and he looks tough on the mound. Detwiler ought to prepare himself to pitch long-relief ( = 2 or 3 innings the way baseball is played now) and we happy he's not riding a bus with Syracuse or Harrisburg. Start Detwiler against the Barfs, who still have a lot of LH hitters. And he should be happy he's with the team.

[More of #34]

He doesn't want to be in the bullpen and his displeasure shows in his pitching.

[CALSGR8]

I still think he should have been the 5th starter instead of Taylor Jordan.  Shoulda Coulda Woulda

[welch]

Detwiler should be better than Taylor Jordan, but Roark is better than Detwiler, and Fister ought to be better than both. Taylor Jordan needs a lot of work.

[imref]

Welcome to 2014's version of H-Rod.

[mmzznnxx]

I feel bad for him, I would have had him and Roark starting to begin, but at this point, you can't keep trotting him out there. I think it's been made clear the team doesn't think he's a huge part of potential success, and right now he's just driving any value he has down like a submarine.

Trade him somewhere where he'll have a chance to start or more belief/useful opportunities, get something in return. Use Cedeno or someone as long-lefty reliever.

[imref]

The Yankees need a starter.  Package Det and Span for Gardner?

[Lintyfresh85]

The Yankees need a starter.  Package Det and Span for Gardner?

What's in it for the Yankees?

[imref]

What's in it for the Yankees?

Um...uh....well....

[Slateman]

Start him or DFA him.

Personally, I'd start him. I'm wholly unimpressed with Treinen. He has a big fastball, that's it. Breaking ball is painfully average. No change.

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Jersey sales?

What's in it for the Yankees?