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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #175: December 02, 2013, 09:07:30 PM »
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‏@AdamKilgoreWP: The Nats acquired Doug Fister from the Tigers for Robbie Ray, Steve Lombardozzi and Ian Krol, per a source.

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« Reply #176: December 02, 2013, 09:07:50 PM »
Can someone put together the trade lineage from Langerhans to Gio and Fister?

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« Reply #178: December 02, 2013, 09:08:18 PM »
I just remembered that Krol was a PTBNL in the Morse deal that got Cole back.

So, extrapolating a bit, Michael Morse plus Lombo and Ray for Doug Fister, AJ Cole, Blake Treinen. I'll take that.

Surely Rizzo is going to sign a decent lefty reliever.

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #179: December 02, 2013, 09:08:37 PM »
(1) Espinosa's only fielding advantage over Lombo is a stronger arm. Not a big deal unless he plays SS. Since Espinosa can't hit, he amounts to a late-inning fielding replacement for Rendon. If Rendon moves to 3B and RZim to 1B, then there's is a hole at 2B. (I don't believe Cano will sign with the Nats)

Espinosa is a superior defender in every way. Arm, glove, range. All of it. I'll argue that till I'm blue in the face.

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« Reply #180: December 02, 2013, 09:09:09 PM »
Espinosa is a superior defender in every way. Arm, glove, range. All of it. I'll argue that till I'm blue in the face.

but have you added in lombo's scrappiness? that equals it out

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #182: December 02, 2013, 09:10:59 PM »
I feel really bad for posting about Espi now.  Can this thread just be happy gifs?  I'd add one if I knew how, ha!

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« Reply #183: December 02, 2013, 09:11:09 PM »
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@ZuckermanCSN: #Nats, for now, looking at rotation of Strasburg, Zimmermann, Gonzalez, Fister, Detwiler ... with Roark and Jordan as insurance. Impressive.

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #184: December 02, 2013, 09:11:21 PM »
You don't like the deal?

No, great deal, a quality pitcher for those guys is quite possibly a steal.  It's a win now move, getting two years for Fister and giving up multiple years of team control for each of the guys we gave up.  Just remembering that many of the trades hailed as steals in the days immediately following the deals have turned out to be duds in retrospect.

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« Reply #185: December 02, 2013, 09:11:22 PM »
Can someone put together the trade lineage from Langerhans to Gio and Fister?

They are disjointed at one point though.

2009: Langerhans for Morse.
2011: Peacock, Milone, Norris and Cole for Gio.
2013: Morse for Cole, Krol and Treinen.
2013: Lombo, Krol and Ray for Fister.

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #186: December 02, 2013, 09:11:42 PM »
I feel really bad for posting about Espi now.  Can this thread just be happy gifs?  I'd add one if I knew how, ha!


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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #187: December 02, 2013, 09:11:56 PM »
but have you added in lombo's scrappiness? that equals it out
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« Reply #189: December 02, 2013, 09:12:32 PM »
Fangraphs: "nats steal Doug fister"

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #191: December 02, 2013, 09:14:07 PM »
Logan to replace kroll, cano to replace lombo and were done.

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #192: December 02, 2013, 09:14:44 PM »
I feel really bad for posting about Espi now.  Can this thread just be happy gifs?  I'd add one if I knew how, ha!

I'll post one for you:


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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #193: December 02, 2013, 09:15:10 PM »
Tiger fans either puzzled, angry or both/. :)

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #195: December 02, 2013, 09:16:12 PM »
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‏@Kurkjian_ESPN: The Tigers cleared money, opened a rotation spot for Drew Smyly and got a LH reliever (Ian Krol). And Steve Lombardozzi is very useful
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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #197: December 02, 2013, 09:17:48 PM »
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So, in exchange for Fister, the Nationals surrendered a non-elite pitching prospect who has pitched a half season at Double-A and probably won’t rank in anyone’s Top 100 next spring, plus a couple of role players who might or might not end up amounting to anything. And in return, they’re getting two years of a very good starting pitcher at far below market prices. This trade is nothing short of a bonanza for the Nationals

Those are the top 25 pitchers in baseball by RA9-WAR from 2011 to 2013. Note that Fister ranks 13th, two spots ahead of Scherzer. He ranks ahead of Zack Greinke, who got $150 million as a free agent last winter, and Anibal Sanchez, who got $85 million. He’s basically in a tie with Gio Gonzalez and Jordan Zimmermann, who have both finished in the top 10 in Cy Young voting over the last couple of years.

And that’s runs allowed, which penalizes Fister for having to pitch in front of the Tigers defense. By FIP-based WAR, Fister ranks 9th, right between David Price and Cole Hamels. This is not a case where out new fangled math has identified an undervalued pitcher who only looks good on FanGraphs and looks like crap by traditional metrics. By the things we value the most, Fister has been a top 10 pitcher in MLB over the last three years; by the things that MLB has traditionally valued, he’s been a top 15 pitcher over the same time frame.

The easy comparison here is James Shields. A year ago, the Rays decided that they couldn’t afford the final two arbitration payouts for Shields, and put their strike-throwing change-up specialist on the market. In the three seasons prior to 2013, Shields had thrown 680 innings with a 96/94/81 ERA-/FIP-/xFIP- line, putting up +10 WAR by either FIP or runs allowed based models. He’d been better in the two more recent years, though, putting up an 81/89/79 line in 477 innings. He was a durable innings eater who had been at times among the most dominant right-handed starters in the game.
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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #198: December 02, 2013, 09:18:13 PM »
They are disjointed at one point though.

2009: Langerhans for Morse.
2011: Pea****, Milone, Norris and Cole for Gio.
2013: Morse for Cole, Krol and Treinen.
2013: Lombo, Krol and Ray for Fister.

The futures of Ryan Langerhans, Tommy Milone, Brad Peacock, Derek Norris, Steve Lombardozzi Jr. and Robbie Ray equaled three years of Michael Morse, two years of Gio Gonzalez, two years of Doug Fister and Blake Treinen.

Obviously, Treinen has to develop and continue the legacy.

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Re: Nationals acquire Doug Fister from Tigers
« Reply #199: December 02, 2013, 09:19:02 PM »
I don't expect any of you to know who this is, but I thought it was funny:

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The Detroit Tigers have decided "scrappy" is better than "good".