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Offline Vega

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #725 on: October 13, 2013, 07:44:48 pm »
Is Yunel Escobar still under contract? If he is, they really don't need a middle infielder with Zobrist, Escobar, Lee, and Beckham.

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« Reply #726 on: October 13, 2013, 07:50:34 pm »
Is Yunel Escobar still under contract? If he is, they really don't need a middle infielder with Zobrist, Escobar, Lee, and Beckham.

Escobar is a free agent. I expect the Rays will let him walk and start Lee. Zoberist fits at second much better than he fits in a corner OF spot. He's going to be 33 and will be due 7 million. I don't see him OPS over .850 again. They don't have rotation needs. They don't have bullpen needs.

Price is worth two high value guys and at least two MLB ready "needs" players. Rays needs are a corner outfield bat and a first baseman.

The two high value guess we could part with would be two of:
Rendon
Goodwin
AJ Cole

The two need players would have to fill:
Corner outfield bat
First base
Possibly a middle infield spot who can hit if Lee struggles

We don't have any of those needs.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #727 on: October 13, 2013, 07:57:14 pm »
Escobar is a free agent. I expect the Rays will let him walk and start Lee. Zoberist fits at second much better than he fits in a corner OF spot. He's going to be 33 and will be due 7 million. I don't see him OPS over .850 again. They don't have rotation needs. They don't have bullpen needs.

Price is worth two high value guys and at least two MLB ready "needs" players. Rays needs are a corner outfield bat and a first baseman.

The two high value guess we could part with would be two of:
Rendon
Goodwin
AJ Cole

The two need players would have to fill:
Corner outfield bat
First base
Possibly a middle infield spot who can hit if Lee struggles

We don't have any of those needs.
Matt Adams, Oscar Tavares, a lower level pitching prospect that I'm sure they have, and someone like Seth Maness. Boom Price is a Cardinal, and knowing how well they are run, he gets an extension too.

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« Reply #728 on: October 13, 2013, 08:31:41 pm »
Matt Adams, Oscar Tavares, a lower level pitching prospect that I'm sure they have, and someone like Seth Maness. Boom Price is a Cardinal, and knowing how well they are run, he gets an extension too.

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« Reply #729 on: October 13, 2013, 11:25:09 pm »
Matt Adams, Oscar Tavares, a lower level pitching prospect that I'm sure they have, and someone like Seth Maness. Boom Price is a Cardinal, and knowing how well they are run, he gets an extension too.
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Offline Mattionals

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« Reply #730 on: October 13, 2013, 11:35:54 pm »
I'm not sure why the Cards would want Price though.  They seem to think very highly of guys like Joe Kelly, Shelby Miller, Michael Wacha and Carlos Martinez.  Heck Jaime Garcia is only 26.  I'm not sure they need Price, just like the Nats don't really need him, and they probably would pursue upgrading their biggest need at Shortstop.

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« Reply #731 on: October 13, 2013, 11:58:57 pm »
Look, every team in baseball wants Price. There are, maybe, three teams where isn't the number 1. But can they afford the extension. Not really the Cards style.

Still see the Rangers as the front runner. Honestly don't see anyone coming close to being able to offer what they can. Dodgers could be a player. Cubs and Mariners all have deep farm systems but I don't see it happening.

But if the Rays want a pitcher in return, I'd cough up Detwiler or Zimmermann in a heartbeat.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #732 on: October 14, 2013, 12:23:42 am »
I'm not sure why the Cards would want Price though.  They seem to think very highly of guys like Joe Kelly, Shelby Miller, Michael Wacha and Carlos Martinez.  Heck Jaime Garcia is only 26.  I'm not sure they need Price, just like the Nats don't really need him, and they probably would pursue upgrading their biggest need at Shortstop.

They'd surely rather use those top young guys to try and get the rockies to part with tulo

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« Reply #733 on: October 14, 2013, 12:42:05 pm »
Look, every team in baseball wants Price. There are, maybe, three teams where isn't the number 1. But can they afford the extension. Not really the Cards style.

Still see the Rangers as the front runner. Honestly don't see anyone coming close to being able to offer what they can. Dodgers could be a player. Cubs and Mariners all have deep farm systems but I don't see it happening.

But if the Rays want a pitcher in return, I'd cough up Detwiler or Zimmermann in a heartbeat.

Of course every team wants Price, just like every team wants a Trout, Harper or Puig.  Obviously you need to evaluate the farm system on what can be given up to get Price, and then if said team can sign him to an extension.  Even though an extension isn't necessarily needed, I think it's a forgone conclusion that whoever is going to trade what it will take to get Price would want to extend his contract.  That being said:

Angels - Don't have the prospects to trade.
Athletics - Don't have the money to extend.
Mariners - Have both prospects and money.
Astros - Re-building franchise.
Rangers - Have both prospects and money.

White Sox - Don't have the prospects to trade, unless Sale.
Tigers - Don't have the prospects to trade.
Royals - Don't have the money to extend.
Indians - Don't have the prospects OR the money to extend.
Twins - Don't have the money to extend, also rebuilding franchise.

Yankees - Don't have the prospects to trade.
Red Sox - Have both prospects and money.
Orioles - Don't have either prospects or money.
Blue Jays - Don't have the prospects to trade.

Nationals - Might have the prospects, definitely have the money.
Braves - Don't have the prospects, might have the money.
Phillies - Don't have the prospects.
Mets - Have both prospects and money.
Marlins - Have prospects but money is questionable, also re-building.

Cardinals - Have the prospects and potentially the money.
Pirates - Don't have the money to extend.
Reds - Don't have the prospects or the money.
Cubs - Have money and prospects.
Brewers - Don't money or prospects.

Dodgers - Don't have the prospects, but if they eat enough money on someone like Kemp...
Rockies - Don't have the money or the prospects.
Padres - Don't have the money or the prospects.
Giants - Don't have the prospects.
Diamondbacks - Have the prospects, money is questionable.

So that leaves the Mariners, Rangers, Red Sox, Nationals, Mets, Cardinals and Cubs with the White Sox, Dodgers and D-Backs as potential suitors.  The Mariners only really have pitching prospects, and are probably better off improving the offense rather than just adding another big name pitcher.  The Rangers have the right prospects but are in need of much better offense rather than more pitching.  The Red Sox are pretty solid all the way around and have rookie arms about to break in and will Tampa deal within the division?  The Mets could give up future guys like Synderrgard (sp?) to get Price, which would be formidable going forward with Harvey and Wheeler, but I bet Wheeler is dealt to get him.  Mets also need some offense at 1B and a much better OF.  Cardinals have the right pieces and the money, but are in the Red Sox position with great arms coming up.  It's already been posted that offering big extensions isn't really the Cards MO.  The Cubs have all the right pieces, and could trade Rizzo to get Price.  Might not be Theo's style to trade prospects to get a big name pitcher though, especially with the team still growing.  The White Sox would have to trade Sale to get Price, and honestly that doesn't make much sense.  The Dodgers have too many outfielders, and they probably are going to hold onto Puig.  Ethier, Crawford and Kemp are all very expensive and tons of money would need to be eaten by the Dodgers just to hold court with the Rays to obtain Price.  The Dodgers farm is becoming a bit barren as well.  The D-Backs could trade young pitchers like Archie Bradley and Tyler Skaggs to get Price, but the extension is always a concern.  The Nats, last but not least, might be able to come up with a creative package but it likely will empty what ever farm system they re-built after the Gio trade.

I'd say the "players" on Price turn out to be the Rangers, Mets, Cubs and Nats.  I wouldn't be surprised to see price in Queens next year.

Offline Hogie

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #734 on: October 14, 2013, 04:22:35 pm »
Just bend them over, trade rape them, and get David Price. That's what I'd do.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #735 on: October 14, 2013, 04:39:53 pm »
One does not simply trade rape the Rays

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« Reply #736 on: October 14, 2013, 04:47:17 pm »
One does not simply trade rape the Rays

One must if one wants David Price.

Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #737 on: October 14, 2013, 05:09:17 pm »
One must if one wants David Price.

I think you mean get trade raped by the rays

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« Reply #738 on: October 14, 2013, 05:23:22 pm »
I think you mean get trade raped by the rays
Indeed

Offline blue911

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #739 on: October 14, 2013, 05:40:19 pm »
I don't see Price signing a long term deal without testing the market.

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« Reply #740 on: October 14, 2013, 07:15:36 pm »
I don't see Price signing a long term deal without testing the market.

No. It's foolish to think he would. He isn't a one hit wonder that someone is gambling on.

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« Reply #741 on: October 15, 2013, 01:03:22 pm »
I'd be okay with Price, McGee and Abreu.  I'd even be willing to deal Rendon and hand out try outs at 2B to Lombo, Espinosa and Walters.

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« Reply #742 on: October 15, 2013, 01:10:54 pm »
I'd be okay with Price, McGee and Abreu.  I'd even be willing to deal Rendon and hand out try outs at 2B to Lombo, Espinosa and Walters.

Just okay with grabbing a top 5 starting pitcher, a top 10 reliever, and the best prospect in basebablll huh?

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« Reply #743 on: October 15, 2013, 01:41:37 pm »
Just okay with grabbing a top 5 starting pitcher, a top 10 reliever, and the best prospect in basebablll huh?

Well when you put it like that...  :lol:

Seriously speaking though, I'd say the Nats at least go for a big pitcher or a big hitter.  Not both.  Honestly after this season I don't know how they could just stand pat.

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« Reply #744 on: October 15, 2013, 01:56:05 pm »
Need to acquire a big time 1B somehow. LaRoche shouldn't be starting in 2014.

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« Reply #745 on: October 15, 2013, 02:14:03 pm »
We're not getting a big time first baseman. Not with Zimmerman maybe needing to move to first. It isn't going to happen.

Rizzo isn't going to admit the Laroche move blew up. Also, let's be honest, it was a career low season for him. I doubt he has it again. He hits to his career norms, and it isn't a problem.

Moves that will be made will be in the pen. I'd really like to see Soriano go, but I kinda doubt that.

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« Reply #746 on: October 15, 2013, 02:15:13 pm »
As little as I like Soriano, he ended up doing pretty well in terms of saves, no?

We're not getting a big time first baseman. Not with Zimmerman maybe needing to move to first. It isn't going to happen.

Rizzo isn't going to admit the Laroche move blew up. Also, let's be honest, it was a career low season for him. I doubt he has it again. He hits to his career norms, and it isn't a problem.

Moves that will be made will be in the pen. I'd really like to see Soriano go, but I kinda doubt that.

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« Reply #747 on: October 15, 2013, 03:15:26 pm »
As little as I like Soriano, he ended up doing pretty well in terms of saves, no?


Saves are like RBIs. An overrated statistic. Look at his other numbers. Drop in k/9, increase in WHIP, increase in HR/9. 3 losses and 6 blown saves. Then there were his comments about Bryce's outfield ability, his crappy body language, and giving up 4 run leads because it's not a save situation. The guy is not good and we can do better. A lot better.

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« Reply #748 on: October 15, 2013, 05:31:20 pm »
Saves are like RBIs. An overrated statistic. Look at his other numbers. Drop in k/9, increase in WHIP, increase in HR/9. 3 losses and 6 blown saves. Then there were his comments about Bryce's outfield ability, his crappy body language, and giving up 4 run leads because it's not a save situation. The guy is not good and we can do better. A lot better.

Especially for $14 million.

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« Reply #749 on: October 17, 2013, 11:23:34 am »