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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #50: July 12, 2013, 02:18:01 PM »
We should all plan on doing a week long trip down there and rent out a floor. Just a massive wnff.net caravan. Would you guys consider doing it? What would the logistics involved be? I'm thinking a Transportation/Lodging/Ticket plan. I call dibs on bunking up with Heeman and Slate. Oh the Debauchery.

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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #51: July 12, 2013, 03:36:52 PM »
As long as we can get ECAC hockey on the cable /satellite and you guys don't mind fight songs like this:


Did I mention what team won the Men's Frozen Four this year?

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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #52: July 12, 2013, 04:34:07 PM »
We should all plan on doing a week long trip down there and rent out a floor. Just a massive wnff.net caravan. Would you guys consider doing it? What would the logistics involved be? I'm thinking a Transportation/Lodging/Ticket plan. I call dibs on bunking up with Heeman and Slate. Oh the Debauchery.

Heeman and slate are my boys. You can't have them.

Seriously, there are a ton of such plans already in place. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. Just identify one that everyone should sign up for. If it's reasonable I would consider going.

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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #53: July 12, 2013, 04:42:17 PM »
Kissimmee is an hour or so from the beach and less than that from Orlando. I can live with that.

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« Reply #54: July 13, 2013, 07:50:44 PM »
The District Sports Page has post up detailing the events of the past week, focusing on the difficulties of getting funding approved and finding a second team to partner with.

I disagree with the conclusion pasted below that the Nats Plan B would be to return to Viera.  The Astros and Blue Jays moving to Palm Beach does not alleviate the issue of long bus rides to each away game.  More likely I'd see them pairing up with another team in an existing ballpark, there have been rumors over the years of them pairing up with NL East foes Atlanta, NY, and Philly.  The big downsides (beyond the desire not to train with the enemy) are that they'd always be somewhat of a guest in their own home park, and more significantly they'd have to set up their training facilities a fair distance away from those ballparks.  Let's hope Plan A gets approved.

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If the Astros/Blue Jays complex in Palm Beach Gardens comes to fruition, that will bring two more teams to the Atlantic Coast, perhaps forcing the Nats to consider staying in Viera. They might not have much of a choice...It’s apparent that despite the Nationals desire to move out of Space Coast Stadium and into a new, state-of-the-art two-team complex, there remains multiple hurdles to clear before they can pack the moving trucks. It looks more and more likely that though they wish for greener pastures, they may have to make do with what they have for the foreseeable future.

http://districtsportspage.com/washington-nationals-spring-training-site-still-in-flux-with-options-dwindling/18693

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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #55: July 15, 2013, 08:10:02 AM »
Local Kissimmee business and tourism leaders are asking for a one month delay before the vote that is currently scheduled for 5:30 today. There is a debate starting at 2:30 leading up to the vote.

This will be a great indication of how much support there is for the plan, do they push ahead with a schedule that allows the Nats to start playing there in 2015 or will there be continual delays until the whole thing falls apart? Someone's palms are being greased, only way these public stadiums ever get built.


www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/14/osceola_county_to_vo.html

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Re: The Future of Baseball in Central Florida
« Reply #56: July 15, 2013, 05:12:07 PM »
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"I want to take all of those ideas I've been building since I was a kid to build a great ball park," said Mark Learner, vie-chairman and principal owner of the Washington Nationals.


If anyone from Kissimmee is reading this, please so not allow this man any input into the ballpark design. This is the guy who insisted on parking garages that block the view of the US Capitol from the Nats ballpark.

m.wftv.com/news/news/local/osceola-commissioners-discuss-spring-training-faci/nYrJy/

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« Reply #57: July 15, 2013, 05:23:49 PM »
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Learner said the facility would bring thousands of fans to the county each spring. He said their spring training attendance in Viera in Brevard County was up 200 percent last spring.


In 2012 the Nats averaged a not so good 4,880 fans per game, a 200% increase would have brought that number to 14,640, which is more than the capacity at Space Coast. The actual average attendance number was a mere 5,329. I hope that was a misquote and the guy asking for $100 million in taxpayer money wasn't providing false information.

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« Reply #58: July 15, 2013, 05:41:57 PM »
This blogger thinks that the fix is in for the ballpark deal.

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This deal smells so badly even the wild hogs are re-locating to Indian River County!

What we question is Mr. Mercer’s involvement in the Osceola Tollway Committee and as the alleged Chair, seemingly willing to hold up the construction of the Poinciana Parkway(which even he stated was so desperately needed) in order to build a baseball stadium for the Washington Nationals?

http://ksib.net/index.php/carl-cricket/2013/07/republican-dinner-gov-scott-draws

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Upon being informed that the county is delaying the vote by a month Mark Lerner declares that the team is a step closer to building the ballpark. 

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The board put off until Aug. 19 a scheduled vote on building a new baseball complex, bearing an estimated price tag of $98 million, partly because opponents of the project and the Chamber of Commerce of Kissimmee/Osceola County wanted at least 30 days to let taxpayers get a closer look at the details...the board voted 3-2 against approving an agreement that had been in the works for more than a year.

"The Washington Nationals are optimistic that we are a step closer to bringing Osceola County a one-of-a-kind, family-friendly spring-training and fan-experience facility," he said. "We will continue to work together with Osceola County toward the common goal of making this the best spring training facility in Major League Baseball."

touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76680570/


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“We expect to be very much in evidence at our new home,” Lerner told commissioners, in his first public statement on the issue. “We’ll be a great community partner for years to come.”

Just like at Nats Park where for $300 a ticket you can rub shoulders with ownership.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130715/NEWS01/130715016/Osceola-balks-98-million-price-tag-Nationals-move

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In a stunning turn of events, Osceola County Commissioners rejected spending $98 million to build the Washington Nationals a new park in a 3-2 vote, despite impassioned pleas from Nationals officials.

With an intro like that we know where the Florida media stands on the proposed stadium plan.

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“You came to us,” said an incredulous Art Fuccillo — executive vice president of Lerner Enterprises, owners of the Nationals — after hearing the commissioner say they wanted to table it for 30 days before voting no on the matter. “We were in talks with Arizona and in Fort Myers and you came to us. You laid out the red carpet. You have to figure out if you want baseball. We’re going to play somewhere. We’re clearly disappointed.”

Entitled much? What an jerk? Begging for corporate welfare and that's his attitude. What an idiot? This is only a one month delay and those comments don't help his cause.

Listen to the big shot spouting off about Fort Myers and Arizona as though they were viable options. As I recall Fort Myers said no, there is no money available to upgrade an old ballpark in a crappy location, and the Nats were asking them for one hell of a lot less money. As for Arizona, the Nats already have about the worst attendance in spring training, cut that in half if they move across country, they'd have to market primarily to bring in opposing fans.

Oh, and he's pissed because the council wants to wait 30 days to vote, well the Nats have had a non-disclosure agreement in place until last week. If it's such a great deal why hide it from the public until a few days before the vote? Shady. He's right about one thing though, this delay wasn't too help the proponents, it's strictly the opposition who will be using this time to rally support against the project.

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But the second team never materialized and that might be what spooked Osceola officials. It had been widely reported that the Toronto Blue Jays would leave Dunedin and join the Nats in Osceola. But now, they appear to be headed to Palm Beach Gardens.

That right there is about the best chance to save this deal, bring in the Jays and it gets approved, otherwise we're freaked.


www.floridatoday.com/article/20130716/COLUMNISTS0317/307160024/John-Torres-We-ll-get-another-swing-Nationals?nclick_check=1

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The central Florida media is big time behind any effort to keep baseball.
Sad for Art Fucillo, sounds like he's not going to get that bonus he had planned to use to buy himself another boat....moron

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they're shocked a city doesn't want to pay $98 million to build a ball park? Maybe they've actually started to read the studies showing that public financed parks are a boondoggle

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they're shocked a city doesn't want to pay $98 million to build a ball park? Maybe they've actually started to read the studies showing that public financed parks are a boondoggle
Especially a city in Florida would have some tainted views on publicly-funded ballparks.  Thanks, Loria.

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they're shocked a city doesn't want to pay $98 million to build a ball park? Maybe they've actually started to read the studies showing that public financed parks are a boondoggle

Ballparks are boondoggles, except in 10 years when Florida wakes up and the rest of MLB has mived to Arizona for Spring Training. It wasn't that long ago that Florida was the king of Spring, now more teams are moving to Arizona.


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Ballparks are boondoggles, except in 10 years when Florida wakes up and the rest of MLB has mived to Arizona for Spring Training. It wasn't that long ago that Florida was the king of Spring, now more teams are moving to Arizona.



I wonder what the actual revenue lost would be for the county vs the expense of building the venue- most studies show that for pro parks, the city ends up loosing, maybe spring training is different (Arizona may be waking up too after Glendale's experience with the NHL)

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The Nats are asking for a state of the art facility, but for most of the time this ownership group has been in place they've put a sub par product on the field, which is a large part of the reason for the poor attendance. They like to point out that they've had one good year, but is that enough indication of a trend in order to justify a nine figure public expense?

Could be that the team is going to have to settle, either playing second fiddle in a shared ballpark, or getting Kissimmee to shell out a much smaller amount to refurbish Osceola County Stadium. This last option might be the way to go, as the county gets the same matching funds from the state whether they build a new park or fix up the old one.

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Having been in Arizona once during Spring training, and having attended a game, it's easy to see why teams move there. The weather is beautiful and stable, the land is cheap, and it's a very short hop from park to park.

Ballparks are boondoggles, except in 10 years when Florida wakes up and the rest of MLB has mived to Arizona for Spring Training. It wasn't that long ago that Florida was the king of Spring, now more teams are moving to Arizona.

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Having been in Arizona once during Spring training, and having attended a game, it's easy to see why teams move there. The weather is beautiful and stable, the land is cheap, and it's a very short hop from park to park.


But, you know, the ocean or any notable body water is really far away. For people who are not all in on the baseball thing, that helps.

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But, you know, the ocean or any notable body water is really far away.

where ever could a bunch of rich young men jet off to if they want to have fun and kill time? hmmm

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There's some cool stuff in Arizona, but it's not Cocoa Beach. Then again, once the Nats get to their new home, there will just be miles and miles of the things I avoid Florida because of.

But, you know, the ocean or any notable body water is really far away. For people who are not all in on the baseball thing, that helps.

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PB69 - that quote is confusing.  did they first offer to table and then to reject, or did they only vote to table?

Reject is mentioned twice.


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PB69 - that quote is confusing.  did they first offer to table and then to reject, or did they only vote to table?

Reject is mentioned twice.

The board voted 3-2 against, then revoted 5-0 to table the discussion for a month.

The comments I've been reading from the various articles and blogs all assume that the council members supporting the deal are on the take. So if the vote in August comes back 3-2 in favor, I'd think that the local FBI office may want to look into the finances for the member who flipped.

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But, you know, the ocean or any notable body water is really far away. For people who are not all in on the baseball thing, that helps.
Lots of pools, spas and golf for the time between games.