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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #300 on: May 10, 2013, 02:24:20 am »
LOL some of you guys are mad because Leyland tried to win the game??? This place is going downhill fast. Come on now.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #301 on: May 10, 2013, 02:50:06 am »
So what would Leyland have done differently if he had respect for the Nats ?

PC is completely right. I was at the game and it was abundantly clear that Leyland had no respect for the Nats and was also pulling out all the stops in hopes of winning a random game in May. He treated like a playoff game 7.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #302 on: May 10, 2013, 04:42:44 am »
So what would Leyland have done differently if he had respect for the Nats ?

He would have kissed Davey's ring...

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #303 on: May 10, 2013, 06:24:55 am »
If Leyland managed like that all year his team would never make it to September. 

Just watch. He'll call off the dogs and start managing normal again tonight.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #304 on: May 10, 2013, 07:24:02 am »
LOL some of you guys are mad because Leyland tried to win the game??? This place is going downhill fast. Come on now.

It's just the usual knuckleheads making noise.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #305 on: May 10, 2013, 08:02:35 am »
Comparative dates on which the Nationals notched their 19th win, each season:

2013 - 9th May (34th match of season)
2012 - 10th May (31st match)
2010 - 12th May (34th match)
2005 - 14th May (36th match)
2011 - 15th May (40th match)
2008 - 18th May (45th match)
2007 - 24th May (48th match)
2006 - 25th May (48th match)
2009 - 18th June (65th match)

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #306 on: May 10, 2013, 09:49:00 am »
You guys make no sense. A Manager should try to win every game. Besides if anything pulling out all the stops means Leyland is actually VERY respectful of the Nats and our power lineup. If we had scrubs out there he probably wouldnt feel the need to mix and match so much.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #307 on: May 10, 2013, 09:59:01 am »
You guys make no sense. A Manager should try to win every game. Besides if anything pulling out all the stops means Leyland is actually VERY respectful of the Nats and our power lineup. If we had scrubs out there he probably wouldnt feel the need to mix and match so much.

The Tigers bullpen sucks. If Leyland doesn't go the match up route,they'll get destroyed.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #308 on: May 10, 2013, 10:01:12 am »
Tigers are currently leading in what is arguably the tightest division race thus far - just a half-game up on the Royals, one up on the Indians, 2.5 up on the Twins and 5 up on the White Sox. Every match matters - can't blame Leyland if he wants to pull out all the stops.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #309 on: May 10, 2013, 10:44:09 am »
Yeah, this is my question. It's just as easy to interpret Leyland's actions as trying to eke out a tight game against a good opponent by matching pitchers with hitters. Down by one with the chance of having the fat part of your order get up two or maybe three more times, I think I'd be playing for the win, too.

So what would Leyland have done differently if he had respect for the Nats ?

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #310 on: May 10, 2013, 10:53:37 am »
It's just the usual knuckleheads making noise.
Dr. Klahn knows how to deal with knuckleheads:


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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #311 on: May 10, 2013, 10:59:10 am »
This thread is tailor made for ajcartwright.

a great game day thread
wife was on the computer
my loss but Nats win!

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #312 on: May 10, 2013, 11:43:20 am »
The Tigers bullpen sucks. If Leyland doesn't go the match up route,they'll get destroyed.

Valverde looked a lot better than I thought he would.  He still has some gas left in the tank.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #313 on: May 10, 2013, 12:13:07 pm »
PC is completely right. I was at the game and it was abundantly clear that Leyland had no respect for the Nats and was also pulling out all the stops in hopes of winning a random game in May. He treated like a playoff game 7.

This is a very puzzling concept.

Would not trying very hard at all be respectful?  I don't see the linkage here, seems more like a mindfact to me.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #314 on: May 10, 2013, 01:15:32 pm »
Didn't SF say during the drought when shiners were preaching patience and that it's still early that all games count the same?

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #315 on: May 10, 2013, 01:40:02 pm »
Yeah, this is my question. It's just as easy to interpret Leyland's actions as trying to eke out a tight game against a good opponent by matching pitchers with hitters. Down by one with the chance of having the fat part of your order get up two or maybe three more times, I think I'd be playing for the win, too.


But my position is that no manager, at least no good manager (if you maintain that Leyland is a good manager) would do this in this situation.  Again, it's all situational for me.

Putkonen came in in 6th and pitched to two batters, Ramos and Lombardozzi.  Drew Smyly, the 6th starter or long man lefty out of the bullpen came in when Span and Bernadina were due up.  Smyly then pitched for 1.2 innings.  Clearly Smyly was capable of starting the 6th and pitching the full 2 innings and that's what made this such an odd use of his bullpen.  Again, this is a May interleague game the Nationals and Tigers played yesterday.  Playing what appears to be matchups is anomalous in this situation, would you not agree?

It has long been a point of contention in this forum about Nationals managers "managing for a 162-game season not for an individual game".  I'm usually on the side of the doing what it takes to win the game in front of you however I understand that good managers don't think that way.  They husband their resources for the long season.  If that's the case, and we all maintain that Leyland is a good manager, this was a particularly curious use of his resources that I'm sure he's unlikely to repeat often during the season.  He'd burn out his bullpen if he did and there are obviously more important games on the Tigers' schedule, like games within their division (they start a series with Indians who are just a game behind them tonight) and games with the American League.  Winning those games are far more important for the Tigers.

Now, we can interpret Leyland's actions as you laid them out but we're fans not managers.  Leyland knows what teams stand in his way of getting to the World Series and the Nationals aren't one of those teams.  He knows it's a 162-game season that he's managing for and the vast majority of those games are a lot more important than the one his team played yesterday.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #316 on: May 10, 2013, 01:45:49 pm »
But if all that is true PC, how do you come to the conclusion that Leyland is being disrespectful to the Nats? That makes no sense. I mean all it really says is that he maybe had a lapse in judgment. But I think he just really wanted his team to get a win vs. an elite opponent and pulled out all the stops to do so, tomorrow be damned. I mean he does have Verlander in his rotation, that's basically an automatic 7+ IP and bullpen rest day.

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Re: Nationals vs Tigers, Game 2
« Reply #317 on: May 10, 2013, 02:09:31 pm »
PC, if I grant you he managed a bit abnormally: 

Wouldn't managing a bit more like it's G7 of the World Series instead of game 30-something of the season make a whole lot of sense when you are facing a team you very well  might end up facing in G7 of the World Series?  Seems like, if anything, it could be read as a whole lot of respect for the Nats, and early preparation to me.