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« Reply #4025 on: May 24, 2026, 09:04:22 am »
Sounds like a fully day...

It's a shame that Harley-Davidson shut down their factory tour in York...my oldest and I really enjoyed that...

Isn’t that where they made the Sportster?

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« Reply #4026 on: May 24, 2026, 09:28:07 am »
Isn’t that where they made the Sportster?

IIRC, they assembled them there for some time, then moved that operation to Kansas City at some point before they closed that facility and then moved it back to York before they ceased Sportster production altogether...which I understand is going to resume yet again.  Phew...

It was quite the operation in York, with Union employees each being capable of doing every job in the process.  The monotony of manually stamping superheated steel into kickstands was mindboggling...

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« Reply #4027 on: May 24, 2026, 09:41:20 am »
One of my best friends more or less lives down hill from Turkey Hill. Has a place on the Conestoga. That's why I  went to the Hamilton watch place and the central market

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« Reply #4028 on: May 24, 2026, 01:46:47 pm »
Thanks for the write up on the Turkey Hill Experience. I’ve passed by it, but never went in. Sounds like fun.


If you get to Hershey Park, and you like decadent treats, pick up a bag of Hershey Caramels Milk Chocolate with Sea Salt at the store there. They’re absolutely wonderful. You can’t get them anywhere else - they only sell them at Hershey Park. Whenever we’re in the area, we always make a trip to the store there to pick up a bag (or two).

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« Reply #4029 on: May 24, 2026, 06:34:55 pm »
I'm old enough to remember when York, PA advertised itself as the factory tour capital of the world. You could tour a pretzel factory, a potato chip factory, a weightlighting dumbbell factory, etc. All of those factory tours are gone now. COVID really killed factory tours all over the country: they shut the tours down for the pandemic and never restarted them. When we were in Alabama in 2024 I was eager to tour a car factory, there are tons there including a Hyundai factory in Montgomery and a Mercedes-Benz factory in Tuscaloosa. All their websites said tours were suspended for COVID.

Anyway so many of you recommended the National Watch and Clock Museum in Columbia, PA that we went there today. I was really surprised by how big it was and how interesting my family and I found it. They have a great collection of historical clocks. I really liked their collection of super-accurate clocks used by railroads to standardize the watches of conductors. Some of these had mercury pendulums because solid metal pendulums would change size slightly with changes in the temperature and thus be less accurate in really hot weather. The staff was super enthusiastic about horology and happy to share their knowledge. Afterwards we went back into Lancaster and saw a magic show.

Tomorrow, we attempt Hersheypark.





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« Reply #4030 on: May 24, 2026, 09:08:32 pm »
Sounds like a fully day...

It's a shame that Harley-Davidson shut down their factory tour in York...my oldest and I really enjoyed that...

My graduate business class took a tour of the York facility, it was really interesting.  At the time they were making all different types of bikes, using a semi manual "kanban" system of inventory production management.  And when I say all types, I mean one bike of one type, the next one something else, etc.  Kanban dictated a just in time delivery of parts to the proper station - so I get a couple of fenders just before the appropriate frame hits my station, all synced up.  The process improvements they had implemented had driven quality improvements, reductions in inventory (no more piles of stuff laying around) and even freed up a LOT of floor space. 

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« Reply #4031 on: May 24, 2026, 09:14:51 pm »
My graduate business class took a tour of the York facility, it was really interesting.  At the time they were making all different types of bikes, using a semi manual "kanban" system of inventory production management.  And when I say all types, I mean one bike of one type, the next one something else, etc.  Kanban dictated a just in time delivery of parts to the proper station - so I get a couple of fenders just before the appropriate frame hits my station, all synced up.  The process improvements they had implemented had driven quality improvements, reductions in inventory (no more piles of stuff laying around) and even freed up a LOT of floor space.

The level of Quality Control on their painted tins was, and remains, nothing short of remarkable...

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« Reply #4032 on: May 25, 2026, 07:06:03 am »
The level of Quality Control on their painted tins was, and remains, nothing short of remarkable...

I believe they have retained the mix formula for every color Harley ever used.

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« Reply #4033 on: May 25, 2026, 07:04:57 pm »
I believe they have retained the mix formula for every color Harley ever used.

I wouldn't doubt it...and there's been a crap-tonne of them...

FWIW...most Harley frames are powdercoated Gloss Black, which is a different shade of black than their Vivid Black body elements.  It's not terribly visible in the sunlight, but under artificial light, it does show up.

Then there's the various factory and aftermarket matte black elements...  :panic:



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« Reply #4034 on: May 25, 2026, 08:48:49 pm »
My parents never let me ride on roller coasters when I was growing up. My formative roller coaster experiences all came in my 20's after I moved to Northern Virginia. My buddy worked for Booz Allen Hamilton and every September after Labor Day Booz Allen would rent out King's Dominion and open it up only for Booz Allen employees and their guests. I was lucky enough to be invited as his guest several years in a row from 2011 - 2013. Since the park was only Booz Allen employees, there were no lines for anything. There was a glorious day in the fall of 2011 where I walked into King's Dominion as somebody who had never been on a roller coaster before and I walked out having done multiple rides on the Dominator and one ride on the Intimidator 305. I was a roller coaster pro after that, none of the rides affected me in the slightest.

But years passed, my Booz Allen buddy went off to grad school after becoming bored of his job doing network graph analysis of Taliban tweets, I met and married a girl who hated roller coasters, etc. Before I knew it, I was middle aged and now sometimes got motion sickness from reading my phone in the car. Could I still do roller coasters? I don't know.

We arrived at Hersheypark right when it opened at 11:00 AM. My second grader (who, for reference, has never been on anything more extreme than what they have at the Arlington County Fair) immediately proposed that we go on Candymonium, the biggest and baddest coaster at Hersheypark with an 85 degree drop. I proposed a more methodical approach, building up from kiddie rides. Ostensibly it was to build up my kid's tolerance for roller coaster sensations. Secretly, it was because I was afraid I no longer had it.

We did the kiddy coaster Trailblazer three times. On the third time, we got stuck at the top of the hill and maintenance staff had to come climb the track and fix things, which ultimately was the scariest part of my day. Then we did the biggest drop tower the park had so that I could experience free-fall for the first time. We did that twice and frankly it was really fun, I learned that I enjoy free fall, which will be important for me come my big July trip. Hersheypark has three drop towers right next to each other and my favorite part was being able to see the very top of the two smaller towers from the very top of the one we did.

My wife sat at ground level for all of these rides holding our stuff and was obviously becoming bored and annoyed. Here's where the real genius of Hersheypark shone through. The park has a zoo. Like an actual, straight-up zoo. We took a break from the coasters and saw some animals, talked to some zookeepers, and got to meet a European Glass Lizard, a Harris Hawk, and a 78 year old tortoise who was the biological father of every other tortoise the zoo had. This seemed like an odd combination but odds are that everyone in your group either enjoys coasters or zoos or both. A zoo break was refreshing for my kid and I between coasters and my wife's day would have been miserable without it.

After the zoo we did Comet, which ChatGPT recommended we do as the next step up. This is their big wooden coaster, the oldest surviving coaster at the park. The wooden coasters at King's Dominion always left me a bit bruised and battered and that was when I was young and healthy. I feared what a wooden coaster would do to my middle aged version. But as part of their 2006 refresh of Comet, Hersheypark put big padded seats on the Comet cars. So when the wooden coaster jerked me around, I fell back into plush comfort. Comet wasn't scary for either of us and we both loved it. I hadn't lost it after all. I walked out of there ready to ride some of the hypercoasters but surprisingly my kid put the kibosh on it: Comet satisfied their need for speed and now they wanted to go to the gift shop and buy huge bags of candy.

We return tomorrow to do the water rides. It should be the warmest and sunniest day of the trip.

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« Reply #4035 on: May 25, 2026, 08:55:29 pm »
My parents never let me ride on roller coasters ...

Count, you really bring your A game sometimes.

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« Reply #4036 on: May 25, 2026, 11:35:01 pm »
I was OK until this and then spit beer all over my computer

"after becoming bored of his job doing network graph analysis of Taliban tweets"

This is Level 11 travelogue  :lol:

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« Reply #4037 on: May 26, 2026, 04:50:11 pm »
Probably best to avoid Yosemite for a while. For some reason, they decided to do away with their reservation system.

https://abc30.com/post/yosemite-national-parks-reservation-system-ends-leading-chaos-park-memorial-day-weekend/19165661/

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« Reply #4038 on: May 26, 2026, 08:15:53 pm »
Probably best to avoid Yosemite for a while. For some reason, they decided to do away with their reservation system.

https://abc30.com/post/yosemite-national-parks-reservation-system-ends-leading-chaos-park-memorial-day-weekend/19165661/

I recall some talk about that last fall, some political thing.  Maybe local businesses hoping too many people show up, can't get campsites and have to book a local hotel? 

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« Reply #4039 on: May 26, 2026, 09:51:24 pm »
I didn't explicitly mention this in the write-up for yesterday, but Hersheypark was deserted yesterday (probably because it poured rain early in the morning) and as a result we had no lines for anything. That's why we rode multiple attractions multiple times. As we drove the 45 minutes from York to Hershey again this morning, we looked forward to more of the same. Sure, the weather was nice today, but it was a Tuesday. Who would be at Hersheypark on a Tuesday in May? The kids are still at school.

But as we pulled into the Hersheypark parking lot ($40 per day on top of your admission ticket) there was something ominous on the horizon. School buses. Tons of them. All parked in the Hersheypark lot, all of them having gotten there before us. And the school buses were letting off absolute hordes of teenagers.

Apparently it is quite common for schools in PA to do field trips to Hersheypark and this was a big field trip day. The biggest group came from Altoona, PA: it seems every 8th grader and every high school senior in the entire school system that serves Altoona, PA was getting to visit Hersheypark today as a congratulatory field trip. I saw t-shirts from Shippensburg, PA, from a bunch of generic sounding private schools with no obvious geographic tell in the name, and even one from New Jersey. I thought field trips had to ostensibly have some kind of tie to academics, no matter how tenuous. Perhaps these kids were learning about theme park operations.

Things went well at first in the water park section. Upon first walking into the Boardwalk (Hersheypark's water park section, based on Mid-Atlantic beach towns) you can't help but notice blue and purple tubes all over the place above you. My kid demanded to ride whatever that was and this time I didn't stop it. It turned out that it was called Breakers Edge and we loved it. It was one of the more intense water rides there but we quickly learned that water coasters are nothing compared to land coasters. After the day we had yesterday, we were now Kryptonians in the yellow sun of a simulated beach town. We did Breakers Edge twice and then we did Whitecap Racer twice. That's the tallest water slide in the world: you lay down on your stomach and in 20-30 seconds you go down a 10 story tall tube. You have to first walk up the stairs to the top, carrying the flimsy little piece of foam you ride on. When there are 2-3 hour long lines this climb is slow and steady, but we climbed it twice before there was a meaningful crowd there so we got our steps in. Alas, since my phone was in a locker back at sea level, none of the steps counted for my Health app.

My kid got cold from the water (it was only 70ish degrees) and we decided to go back to the land side of the park. Our big new experience was Wild Mouse, a coaster where the thrills come from the sudden turns the ride makes rather than from big drops or high speed. Wild Mouse is rated a 5/5 on the park's Thrill Score index, meaning that in the park's opinion it is one of the most intense rides there. It basically does a series of switchback turns and I guess some people get terrified by this because it feels like the car you're in will go off the tracks. It didn't scare me and I rate it a 3 at best. The real thrill for me was seeing how the Hersheypark employees kept the line moving. The line was very long, and it was all Altoona high school students who were in line carrying their bags, their drinks, and seemingly everything else they owned that was banned on any roller coaster anywhere in the country. The staff let everyone get into the coaster cars with this contrabrand but quickly stripped it off them the car pulled out of the station. I had never seen anything like this before and it ensured that the line kept moving.

Well that's it for Hersheypark. Tomorrow we drive home, but not before a few stops in Gettysburg.

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« Reply #4040 on: May 27, 2026, 08:01:38 am »
When I visited Gettysburg, I  had the good fortune to be at Little Round Top when a bus from a military school (i don't recall which; i didn't see west point markings) was there and the prof was giving a detailed tactical discussion of the defense of the position. I ran into them at a few other points on their tour.

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« Reply #4041 on: May 27, 2026, 09:10:08 am »
Hood was a master strategist and ultimately won that engagement 158 years later
When I visited Gettysburg, I  had the good fortune to be at Little Round Top when a bus from a military school (i don't recall which; i didn't see west point markings) was there and the prof was giving a detailed tactical discussion of the defense of the position. I ran into them at a few other points on their tour.

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« Reply #4042 on: May 27, 2026, 09:41:27 am »
A quirky museum at Gettysburg I’ve read about but have yet to visit is https://civilwartails.com/


Not a typo. It has extremely detailed, historically accurate recreations of Civil War battles, with hundreds of miniature clay soldiers. The twist is that all the miniature soldiers are cats.


Apparently the displays are quite accurate - Civil War historians have visited and are amazed at how historically accurate everything is.


It sounds just quirky enough to be enjoyable.

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« Reply #4043 on: May 27, 2026, 09:57:02 am »
How did Lee herd them up there?

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« Reply #4044 on: May 27, 2026, 10:11:24 am »
A quirky museum at Gettysburg I’ve read about but have yet to visit is https://civilwartails.com/


Not a typo. It has extremely detailed, historically accurate recreations of Civil War battles, with hundreds of miniature clay soldiers. The twist is that all the miniature soldiers are cats.

Apparently the displays are quite accurate - Civil War historians have visited and are amazed at how historically accurate everything is.

It sounds just quirky enough to be enjoyable.

There used to be "Roadside America" on I-78 not far from Hershey that was also a miniature museum. It closed in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_America

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« Reply #4045 on: May 27, 2026, 11:08:55 am »
How did Lee herd them up there?

If they were like my cats, the mere thought of causing carnage would be sufficient motivation.

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« Reply #4046 on: May 27, 2026, 06:06:19 pm »
A quirky museum at Gettysburg


What's their address?... ;)

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« Reply #4047 on: May 28, 2026, 09:09:09 am »

Civil War Tails at the Homestead Diorama Museum, LLC
785 Baltimore Street, Gettysburg, PA 17325
info@CivilWarTails.com
(717) 420-5273




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« Reply #4048 on: May 28, 2026, 05:35:46 pm »
Civil War Tails at the Homestead Diorama Museum, LLC
785 Baltimore Street, Gettysburg, PA 17325
info@CivilWarTails.com
(717) 420-5273

Touche!...   :D  ;)

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« Reply #4049 on: May 28, 2026, 07:36:15 pm »
What's their address?... ;)


I just got the joke. I’m a little slow .  :doh: