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« Reply #4000 on: January 18, 2026, 09:56:24 am »
Sounds like a good expo.


Did he mention anything about the current attitude towards Americans in Europe? In February we’re headed out for a 3-week Mediterranean cruise on Windstar (small 300 passenger ship), hitting Croatia, Italy, Spain, and Gibraltar. Not to get into politics, but I’m a bit concerned about how Europeans will receive us.

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« Reply #4001 on: January 18, 2026, 10:05:50 am »


 I’m a bit concerned about how Europeans will receive us.

Wouldn't be too worried. There may be some reaction, but only from people who are anti-American anyway. A difference has to be made between attitudes towards the President / Government and towards ordinary Americans (generally completely different...). When some Europeans say 'I don't like America' they actually mean 'I don't like the President'...

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« Reply #4002 on: January 18, 2026, 10:23:52 am »
Sounds like a good expo.

Did he mention anything about the current attitude towards Americans in Europe? In February we’re headed out for a 3-week Mediterranean cruise on Windstar (small 300 passenger ship), hitting Croatia, Italy, Spain, and Gibraltar. Not to get into politics, but I’m a bit concerned about how Europeans will receive us.

He did spend a bit of time addressing current anxieties related to European travel and did specifically mention fear that Europeans would be anti-American. Without crossing too far into politics, he said that unless you come over with an attitude, you will be fine. Most Europeans just can't understand what's happening in the US. He also said not to worry about visas as they are still very easy to obtain.

He did say that there is a fair amount of resentment of cruise travelers (not so for those who stay locally) because the cruise ships bring thousands of visitors at one time that often overwhelm the ports, and cruise passengers don't stay overnight and so they don't contribute as much to the economy as those who stay 1-2 nights (or more) who spend more money and usually take more time to learn about the culture. So that may be something to be aware of, though being on a smaller cruise hopefully means you won't be part of the horde.

More than anything, his big push is to get away from the tourist areas to meet the locals and gain an understanding and appreciation of local culture, that's more difficult to do when on a cruise with limited time in port.

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« Reply #4003 on: January 18, 2026, 02:52:18 pm »
The greatest animosity towards cruises is at Venice - local politicians have tried to ban cruise ships, and there have been demonstrations against cruises by the locals.

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« Reply #4004 on: January 18, 2026, 08:24:58 pm »
Definitely valid points about cruise ships overwhelming ports, especially the ones carrying thousands of passengers. Even as a cruise ship passenger but on a small cruise ship, I hate to see those big behemoths berthed at the same port, because I know what chaos they inflict.


And also valid that cruise ship passengers do not contribute as much to the local economy as visitors who stay at hotels. So I get the resentment about cruise ships.

That’s a big reason why we’re traveling in the dead of winter - as offseason as you can get. There aren’t as many hordes of tourists mobbing everything, so hopefully things will be a bit more relaxed.

I was just worried about any additional resentment given the times. I guess I’ll find out.

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« Reply #4005 on: January 18, 2026, 09:29:59 pm »
I’d hug them.

We get a vote...they can go pound sand...

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« Reply #4006 on: January 18, 2026, 09:32:41 pm »
Cleaned up a few posts for political comments. Fair to comment on Euros attitudes towards Americans vs the government. Let's keep who you root for or showing who you root for out of it.

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« Reply #4007 on: January 19, 2026, 08:16:02 am »
Charleston SC got fed up with the traffic etc and no longer hosts Carnival tours (effective 2024), nor do visiting ships embark or disembark passengers. 

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« Reply #4008 on: January 19, 2026, 08:38:28 am »
National Harbor is getting a mini-sphere. Make your vacation plans now.

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« Reply #4009 on: January 28, 2026, 07:12:21 pm »
I spent last week skiing in Austria, which coincided with a certain unsightly event in nearby Davos.  The resentment is real, but it's not personal for the most part, unless one plays the stereotype and acts like an ass.  More worth worrying about is the free fall of the USD vs the Euro.     
I was just worried about any additional resentment given the times. I guess I’ll find out.

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« Reply #4010 on: May 23, 2026, 07:26:52 am »
Good morning from York, PA. Months ago we booked a long Memorial Day weekend trip to central Pennsylvania. We had no way of knowing it would be unseasonably warm and rainy. We're about to get a weekend introduction to all of the indoor attractions of Amish Country.

Will we get to use our pre-paid tickets to Hersheypark? Perhaps on Monday and Tuesday when the forecast is merely 70% chance of rain and not 100% like today and tomorrow.

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« Reply #4011 on: May 23, 2026, 07:50:04 am »
Good morning from York, PA. Months ago we booked a long Memorial Day weekend trip to central Pennsylvania. We had no way of knowing it would be unseasonably warm and rainy. We're about to get a weekend introduction to all of the indoor attractions of Amish Country.

Will we get to use our pre-paid tickets to Hersheypark? Perhaps on Monday and Tuesday when the forecast is merely 70% chance of rain and not 100% like today and tomorrow.

The Weightlifting Hall of Fame is in York.

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« Reply #4012 on: May 23, 2026, 08:15:28 am »
York is also a center for refractory product manufacturing

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« Reply #4013 on: May 23, 2026, 09:37:40 am »
Good morning from York, PA. Months ago we booked a long Memorial Day weekend trip to central Pennsylvania. We had no way of knowing it would be unseasonably warm and rainy. We're about to get a weekend introduction to all of the indoor attractions of Amish Country.

Will we get to use our pre-paid tickets to Hersheypark? Perhaps on Monday and Tuesday when the forecast is merely 70% chance of rain and not 100% like today and tomorrow.


You’re not too far from Harrisburg. The American Civil War Museum is excellent. They also have a good museum of natural history. And they offer free tours of the Capitol building - one of the most beautiful public buildings I’ve ever been in.


You’re also only about 20 minutes away from the National Watch and Clock Museum in Columbia, PA. https://www.nawcc.org A surprisingly interesting experience.


Also, the Railroad Museum in Strasburg is amazing - dozens of engines and rail cars on display, and you can go onto a lot of them. https://www.rrmuseumpa.org/  And if the weather clears up at all, the Strasburg Railroad is a fun ride in a restored antique railroad. Splurge for the parlor car if you can.


And if the rain ever clears, both York and Lancaster have Atlantic League teams, and of course there’s the Harrisburg Senators.


Hope you can salvage something out of your time there.

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« Reply #4014 on: May 23, 2026, 10:00:11 am »
The farmer’s market in Lancaster is a lot of fun.

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« Reply #4015 on: May 23, 2026, 12:25:59 pm »
The farmer’s market in Lancaster is a lot of fun.
are you talking about  the  market  that's in a building? Mob scene but yes, fun. picked up a nice tea or two at one of the stands. Apricot Rooibos. Also a green tea with jasmine and lavender. Not what I usually drink but a change of pace. Drops and tails to the arm side.

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« Reply #4016 on: May 23, 2026, 12:41:56 pm »
are you talking about  the  market  that's in a building? Mob scene but yes, fun. picked up a nice tea or two at one of the stands. Apricot Rooibos. Also a green tea with jasmine and lavender. Not what I usually drink but a change of pace. Drops and tails to the arm side.

That’s it. I go there for sausage and pan haus.

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« Reply #4017 on: May 23, 2026, 03:11:23 pm »
isn't that the native habitat of shoofly pie?

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« Reply #4018 on: May 23, 2026, 06:23:54 pm »

You’re also only about 20 minutes away from the National Watch and Clock Museum in Columbia, PA.

Are they on Tik-Tok?.. ;)

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« Reply #4019 on: May 23, 2026, 06:55:34 pm »

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« Reply #4020 on: May 23, 2026, 08:36:50 pm »
Lancaster has a watch museum for a high end brand - Hamilton.

https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/en-us/lancaster-boutique

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« Reply #4022 on: May 23, 2026, 10:57:41 pm »
isn't that the native habitat of shoofly pie?

Yes

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« Reply #4023 on: May 24, 2026, 07:37:07 am »
Yesterday we started off in Columbia, PA on the banks of the mighty Susquehanna River but instead of going to the watch and clock museum we went to Turkey Hill Experience. Turkey Hill is a company that makes ice cream and iced tea and it was an interactive museum about how ice cream and iced tea are made. I took a quiz about what my personalTEA is and it came back as unsweetened ice tea.

The basic admission to Turkey Hill Experience - the "one scoop" admission - includes access to a surprisingly informative exhibit about the ice cream making process with explainers about homogenization and pasteurization, the good and bad bacteria found in milk, and various interactive activities such as the opportunity to make your own ice cream flavor and then design packaging for it, a video game where you have to shoot the bad milk bacteria but leave the good milk bacteria alive, and a fake cow that you can milk. They also have a live video stream of their actual ice cream factory (located a bit south of Columbia) where, oddly, you can tap on employees to find out their name, job duties, and favorite ice cream.

But we paid the $8 extra per person for the "two scoops" admission which included access to their TasteLab. Here, they give you a pint of plain vanilla ice cream and you can create your own ice cream flavor by adding flavoring chemicals and mixings. I created a strawberry and mint ice cream because those are two plants growing in my garden right now. The TasteLab also gives you a really thorough background on the ice cream making process and a bit of corporate history. I learned how when the Turkey Hill company got rid of artificial dyes a couple of years ago, people complained that the ice cream is no longer the right color (mint flavoring is colorless, so mint ice cream is naturally white and the green tint must be added artificially) so now they offer both natural and artificial versions of major flavors.

After that we drove all the way out to Strasburg. Twice we've gone onthe Strasburg Railroad, a heritage railroad that runs steam trains, but today we instead went to the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum next door which is indoors. They have a lot of old train cars, though I was disappointed by how few were actually open to go inside of. Part of the museum is mocked up as a small PA town from the 19th century and there was a woman doing historical reenactment as a temperance advocate, she actually had the sign in blue911's avatar. My kid and I both signed temperance pledges promising not to drink (I haven't touched alcohol since 2018 so this was easy for me) and she was nice to us, but she gave stern warnings of imminent doom to the majority of visitors who refused to sign the pledge.

We ended the day back in York. We went to downtown York (which is really run down and full of vagrants, though there are interesting businesses in the ruins) and went to an arcade that had a lot of old video games and pinball machines from the 1980's and 1990's. Instead of charging you by the game, they charge you by the hour. You get this device on your wrist that glows green at first, then once you have half an hour left it glows blue, then once you have no time left it turns red. I assume this is a conscious and intentional reference to Logan's Run. It was nice to play some of my favorite 90's arcade games again (they had Primal Rage!) and my kid really loves pinball. Afterwards my wife went to a thrift shop nearby and discovered a large ceramic Betsy Ross who will go out in my garden as an American Semiquincentennial decoration.

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« Reply #4024 on: May 24, 2026, 08:58:35 am »
Sounds like a fully day...

It's a shame that Harley-Davidson shut down their factory tour in York...my oldest and I really enjoyed that...