Author Topic: Stats. Giggity!  (Read 33216 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #200: February 16, 2014, 10:07:17 PM »
Why is it not a good benchmark? What would be a better benchmark?

Average Player which is actually definable

Offline nobleisthyname

  • Posts: 2159
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #201: February 17, 2014, 08:38:35 AM »
Except for the most part you can't replace a player with an average one. WAR allows you to see what value will be lost on your team if a player should go down and you have to grab a AAAA player to replace him. They've gotten pretty good at defining replacement level anyway.

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #202: February 17, 2014, 09:05:07 AM »
Except for the most part you can't replace a player with an average one. WAR allows you to see what value will be lost on your team if a player should go down and you have to grab a AAAA player to replace him. They've gotten pretty good at defining replacement level anyway.

Who cares if you can replace the player with an average one? You don't need to create and artificial Replacement Player to judge the value of a major leaguer. In fact by judging them against fellow major leaguers you get a better benchmark. It is much more accurate to say Adam LaRoche had an OPS of .735 while the league average was .773 for all firstbasemen. While OPS wouldn't be used in reformulating WAR, the idea is use cleaner data.

Offline nobleisthyname

  • Posts: 2159
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #203: February 17, 2014, 05:13:39 PM »
Who cares if you can replace the player with an average one?

GMs for one.

It is much more accurate to say Adam LaRoche had an OPS of .735 while the league average was .773 for all firstbasemen. While OPS wouldn't be used in reformulating WAR, the idea is use cleaner data.

It seems your real argument is on the accuracy of a "replacement player". Like I said though, the calculators of WAR have gotten very good at calculating what a replacement player is. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/unifying-replacement-level/

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #204: February 17, 2014, 05:24:14 PM »
GMs for one.

It seems your real argument is on the accuracy of a "replacement player". Like I said though, the calculators of WAR have gotten very good at calculating what a replacement player is. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/unifying-replacement-level/

It's Mitchel Lichtman's argument, not mine. If you think Cameron is in the same class as Lichtman then think whatever.

Offline nobleisthyname

  • Posts: 2159
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #205: February 17, 2014, 05:30:26 PM »
It's Mitchel Lichtman's argument, not mine. If you think Cameron is in the same class as Lichtman then think whatever.

1) Dave Cameron is far from the only proponent of WAR. That article is just a summary of recent progress in the calculations of a replacement player.

2) I having nothing against using Wins Above Average. But it's really just another angle of the exact same information and WAR is much more prevalent.

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #206: February 17, 2014, 05:38:27 PM »
1) Dave Cameron is far from the only proponent of WAR. That article is just a summary of recent progress in the calculations of a replacement player.

2) I having nothing against using Wins Above Average. But it's really just another angle of the exact same information and WAR is much more prevalent.

There are many people that are proponents of an all inclusive rating system, yet there isn't close to a majority that one of the big three (fWAR,BWAR or WARP) are correct. What Lichtman is saying is stop screwing around with the data to make a "replacement" when you can build a cleaner model based upon actual data without excessive modifiers.

Offline houston-nat

  • Posts: 19050
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #207: February 18, 2014, 10:48:56 PM »
Just submitted an essay to FanGraphs Community Research. It contains neither graphs nor research. It's rather silly.

Offline comish4lif

  • Posts: 2910
  • Too Stressed to care.
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #208: February 19, 2014, 07:21:48 AM »
Just submitted an essay to FanGraphs Community Research. It contains neither graphs nor research. It's rather silly.
Silly sounds more like a Jason Parks piece.

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #209: February 19, 2014, 07:27:00 AM »
Silly sounds more like a Jason Parks piece.

or Jason Wojciechowski

Offline HalfSmokes

  • Posts: 20850
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #210: February 19, 2014, 10:31:34 AM »
so, BP seems to be taking a huge shot at old school love of hustle- the whole piece is worth the read, but the conclusion is:

Quote
When you see your new superstar plodding down the line, remember what's at stake: only four singles a season—four singles that could come with a cost in playing time.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/quantifying-robinson-canos-lack-of-hustle-does-it-act-1525478158/@kylenw
(originally from BP, but still behind a paywall there)

Offline houston-nat

  • Posts: 19050

Offline Squab

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 4526
  • me lookin at the bullpen
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #212: February 20, 2014, 09:45:33 AM »

Offline PebbleBall

  • Posts: 3440
  • Now that right there is baseball.

Offline wpa2629

  • Posts: 17048
  • No Trade Clause
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #214: February 20, 2014, 10:18:20 AM »
LOL those are hilarious

Offline nobleisthyname

  • Posts: 2159
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #215: February 20, 2014, 11:23:20 AM »
http://www.fangraphs.com/community/better-stat-awareness-through-acronyms/

My new FanGraphs post!

Time to show off my cluelessness...

You're Well-Beered Englishman? I always loved that username. Hilarious article too  :thumbs:

Offline houston-nat

  • Posts: 19050
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #216: March 01, 2014, 11:50:11 AM »
Two tweets by @EricFisherSBJ:
MLB Advanced Media unveiling at #SSAC14 new analytics system, optical tracking-based, measuring every play on field.
New MLBAM analytics system uses x, y, z coords. to measure movement of ball, every player. Distance, accel., flight/run path, etc

This is revolutionary. This is going to be huge.

You're Well-Beered Englishman? I always loved that username. Hilarious article too  :thumbs:

Thanks! Yup, I've been WBE for a couple years now.

Offline BrandonK

  • Posts: 8180
  • #LOLNats
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #217: March 01, 2014, 11:52:17 AM »
Two tweets by @EricFisherSBJ:
MLB Advanced Media unveiling at #SSAC14 new analytics system, optical tracking-based, measuring every play on field.
New MLBAM analytics system uses x, y, z coords. to measure movement of ball, every player. Distance, accel., flight/run path, etc

This is revolutionary. This is going to be huge.

Thanks! Yup, I've been WBE for a couple years now.

Quote
Eric Fisher ‏@EricFisherSBJ  2m
New MLBAM analytics system will be tested this yr at Miller Park, Citi Field, Target Field with full MLB rollout for ’15. #ssac14

Awesome!

Offline Lintyfresh85

  • Posts: 35097
  • World Champions!!!
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #218: March 01, 2014, 12:07:12 PM »
Field f/x?

Offline Squab

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 4526
  • me lookin at the bullpen
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #219: March 01, 2014, 12:07:19 PM »
Two tweets by @EricFisherSBJ:
MLB Advanced Media unveiling at #SSAC14 new analytics system, optical tracking-based, measuring every play on field.
New MLBAM analytics system uses x, y, z coords. to measure movement of ball, every player. Distance, accel., flight/run path, etc

This is revolutionary. This is going to be huge.

I wonder if normal folk will have access to the data?

Offline Lintyfresh85

  • Posts: 35097
  • World Champions!!!
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #220: March 01, 2014, 12:09:59 PM »
I wonder if normal folk will have access to the data?

According to Brian Kenny, they will.

Online varoadking

  • Posts: 29304
  • King of Goodness
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #221: March 01, 2014, 12:15:32 PM »
Two tweets by @EricFisherSBJ:
MLB Advanced Media unveiling at #SSAC14 new analytics system, optical tracking-based, measuring every play on field.
New MLBAM analytics system uses x, y, z coords. to measure movement of ball, every player. Distance, accel., flight/run path, etc

This is revolutionary. This is going to be huge.


The only stats I care about are wins and losses...  ;)

Offline blue911

  • Posts: 17989
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #222: March 01, 2014, 12:18:05 PM »

Offline Squab

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 4526
  • me lookin at the bullpen
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #223: March 01, 2014, 12:31:45 PM »
According to Brian Kenny, they will.

That's really awesome.

Offline Jordanz Meatballz

  • Posts: 4996
Re: Stats. Giggity!
« Reply #224: March 01, 2014, 02:59:18 PM »
Greatest catches measurable?  :az: