Author Topic: 2011 Trade Watch (was trade deadline watch) (Read 86174 times)

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1825 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:19:58 pm »

Hey guys, I just found a 100-dollar bill, but I decided to take it and spend it all on Lotto tickets.

I think this is a fantastic decision.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1826 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:20:48 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on July 31, 2011, 04:18:28 pm

It's amazing how some people on this board lack perspective on PROSPECTS.

How many PROSPECTS end up being good Major Leaguers? It's a crapshoot even with top 50 (in all of MLB) prospects, and once you get below that, you're really trying to get lucky.

You're the one who slurping Bourn's jock. Why not get some PERSPECTIVE on his career? Look at it. He's nothing special.

I'm not stoked by having Ankiel as our CF either, but Bourn isn't the answer for this particular roster.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1827 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:21:40 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2011, 04:20:48 pm

You're the one who slurping Bourn's jock. Why not get some PERSPECTIVE on his career? Look at it. He's nothing special.

I'm not stoked by having Ankiel as our CF either, but Bourn isn't the answer for this particular roster.

A leadoff hitter that gets on base?

Isn't that EXACTLY what the Nats have been looking for?

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1828 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:21:53 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on July 31, 2011, 04:19:58 pm

Hey guys, I just found a 100-dollar bill, but I decided to take it and spend it all on Lotto tickets.

I think this is a fantastic decision.

And yet, you think Storen for Span was a good choice.

tomterp · « **Reply #1829 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:22:24 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on July 31, 2011, 04:18:28 pm

It's amazing how some people on this board lack perspective on PROSPECTS.

How many PROSPECTS end up being good Major Leaguers? It's a crapshoot even with top 50 (in all of MLB) prospects, and once you get below that, you're really trying to get lucky.

Which is why you need as many good ones as possible.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1830 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:22:53 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2011, 04:21:40 pm

A leadoff hitter that gets on base?

Isn't that EXACTLY what the Nats have been looking for?

Long term, you really think MICHAEL BOURN is a legitimate CF?

He was decent in Houston. Let's see how he does in Atlanta because he wasn't really all that special in Philly.

NatsSince05 · « **Reply #1831 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:23:31 pm »

Mods, can this thread be locked now since the deadline has passed? Thank you.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1832 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:24:12 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2011, 04:21:53 pm

And yet, you think Storen for Span was a good choice.

Yeah, Storen is totally, 100% reliable whereas Span is just a "prospect."

Idiot.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1833 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:25:03 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2011, 04:22:53 pm

Let's see how he does in Atlanta because he wasn't really all that special in Philly.

He had 127 AB's in his Philly career. What exactly are you going to learn in that amount of time?

And wouldn't you think over 2,000 AB's with the Astros would be slightly more indicative of his talent level?

madj55 · « **Reply #1834 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:26:12 pm »

Should've traded Storen....

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #1835 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:27:25 pm »

Quick trade Storen now!

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1836 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:27:53 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 31, 2011, 04:25:03 pm

He had 127 AB's in his Philly career. What exactly are you going to learn in that amount of time?

And wouldn't you think over 2,000 AB's with the Astros would be slightly more indicative of his talent level?

Proof that you can be a moron and still get into Cornell

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1837 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:28:27 pm »

He has a career OPS+ of 89 and that includes his unbelievably over his head 2011 start. More than 2:1 K:BB.

What's so special?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml

wpa2629 · « **Reply #1838 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:30:07 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on July 31, 2011, 04:27:53 pm

Proof that you can be a moron and still get into Cornell

No need for name calling. Deadline has passed. Trade wasn't made. It's done. Time to move on

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1839 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:30:14 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2011, 04:28:27 pm

He has a career OPS+ of 89 and that includes his unbelievably over his head 2011 start. More than 2:1 K:BB.

What's so special?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml

You don't judge leadoff hitters with OPS.

OBP + SB (total) + SB/CS

Those numbers look solid to me.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1840 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:31:57 pm »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it pretty rare for a non-contending team to ADD a piece like Upton or Span at the deadline? There's no need to over spend at the deadline when you can probably get something done at a more reasonable rate without the stress of the deadline during the offseason.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #1841 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:32:04 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on July 31, 2011, 04:20:48 pm

You're the one who slurping Bourn's jock. Why not get some PERSPECTIVE on his career? Look at it. He's nothing special.

I'm not stoked by having Ankiel as our CF either, but Bourn isn't the answer for this particular roster.

What? Bourn is a great player.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1842 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:32:16 pm »

One thing that really sucks is that we're going to go through this again all offseason. I think a deal is more likely then, but it's going to be annoying.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1843 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:32:39 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on July 31, 2011, 04:30:14 pm

You don't judge leadoff hitters with OPS.

OBP + SB (total) + SB/CS

Those numbers look solid to me.

How about the K:BB? How about 2B's and 3B's? How about the fact that his career OBP is .338 which is only .030 higher than Bernadina?

I may not have gone to Cornell, but I can find an idiot in a crowd.

Bloo · « **Reply #1844 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:32:53 pm »

Everybody thought he got hit... It must be the camo shirt!

wpa2629 · « **Reply #1845 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:33:14 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 31, 2011, 04:32:16 pm

One thing that really sucks is that we're going to go through this again all offseason. I think a deal is more likely then, but it's going to be annoying.

Meh, it's way less stressful in the off season. I think people get trigger happy at the deadline and make a lot of moves they later regret.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1846 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:33:20 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on July 31, 2011, 04:31:57 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it pretty rare for a non-contending team to ADD a piece like Upton or Span at the deadline? There's no need to over spend at the deadline when you can probably get something done at a more reasonable rate without the stress of the deadline during the offseason.

This seems to be what Rizzo was thinking. He'll look and se what he can do at the deadline, but if nothing makes sense long-term, pass. Span and Upton will be available in the offseason and frankly, I'll be more open to a Storen-Span deal once Span proves he's fully recovered from the concussion.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1847 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:33:21 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on July 31, 2011, 04:32:04 pm

What? Bourn is a great player.

He's had a good half. Other than that, he's not that great.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bournmi01.shtml

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1848 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:33:54 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on July 31, 2011, 04:22:24 pm

Which is why you need as many good ones as possible.

I already totally destroyed this thinking a few years ago. There's a limited number of good, young prospects out there, so if you're trying to stockpile enough to fill up a good ML roster some day, you're playing a loser's game.

If a team offers you a solid MLB player for four prospects, each with a 1/5 chance of becoming just as good as that MLB player, you should take that MLB player, even if there's some very small chance of one of them becoming really good.

Mathguy · « **Reply #1849 on:** July 31, 2011, 04:34:23 pm »

But it would have been a wild pitch - maybe better for the Nats

Quote from: Bloo on July 31, 2011, 04:32:53 pm

Everybody thought he got hit... It must be the camo shirt!