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Offline ronnynat

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1200 on: July 30, 2011, 05:51:43 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on July 30, 2011, 05:46:55 pm
Wow, Chris Davis and Mark Reynolds on the same team? AL East pitchers must be salivating. That's a guaranteed 5 strikeouts a game

I was going to say that Derrek Lee is still their first baseman, but it looks like he's about to be traded, too.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1201 on: July 30, 2011, 05:53:04 pm »
Quote from: ronnynat on July 30, 2011, 05:51:43 pm
I was going to say that Derrek Lee is still their first baseman, but it looks like he's about to be traded, too.
MacPhail is winning the deadline.
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Offline NatsSince05

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1202 on: July 30, 2011, 05:55:28 pm »
Quote from: houston-nat on July 30, 2011, 05:51:07 pm
I think his UZR is something like 25 points higher than Bernadina's in CF.
Not trying to be a jerk, but I have no idea what UZR is.
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Offline Lintyfresh85

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1203 on: July 30, 2011, 05:56:09 pm »
Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 05:55:28 pm
Not trying to be a jerk, but I have no idea what UZR is.

It means fire Rizzo, re-hire Jim Riggleman.
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Offline Sniper 1

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1204 on: July 30, 2011, 05:57:48 pm »
Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 05:55:28 pm
Not trying to be a jerk, but I have no idea what UZR is.

You aren't being a jerk.  These are brand new stats that only stat geeks understand.  I'll only pay attention to the batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage until the day I die. The rest is like frickin algebra.
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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1205 on: July 30, 2011, 05:58:25 pm »
Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on July 30, 2011, 05:56:09 pm
It means fire Rizzo, re-hire Jim Riggleman.

:rofl:

Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 05:49:10 pm
Not impressed, especially with the steals.  71 steals in his entire career?  Would rather have Clippard or Storen.

No you wouldn't if you actually got your head out of the gutter.
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Offline tomterp

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1206 on: July 30, 2011, 06:00:15 pm »
Quote from: Sniper 1 on July 30, 2011, 05:57:48 pm
You aren't being a jerk.  These are brand new stats that only stat geeks understand.  I'll only pay attention to the batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage until the day I die. The rest is like frickin algebra.

OK as long as you realize you're not getting as full a picture of a player's performance as those with a more expansive view are getting.

UZR is a defensive metric, BTW.
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Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1207 on: July 30, 2011, 06:00:48 pm »
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Offline ZIM4MVP

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1208 on: July 30, 2011, 06:01:23 pm »
Seems like the Nats are all about shedding money and signing young talent.  If you constantly "build for the future" when do you start winning championships?
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Offline Once an Expos Fan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1209 on: July 30, 2011, 06:02:16 pm »
For those of you that don't get sabermetrics (UZR, OPS+, WAR), see this great series:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew?keyword=Everything+You+Wanted+To+Know
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Offline NatsSince05

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1210 on: July 30, 2011, 06:02:40 pm »
The most comparable player to Denard Span statistically is Jacoby Ellsbury.  I'm sorry guys, this is not worth trading Tyler Clippard and certainly not Drew Storen for.  There is some weird obsession with a leadoff hitting CF in D.C., when we could simply use Lombo as the leadoff man for many years to come without trading away our bullpen.  We saw how this worked out last time when we gave away a pitcher who wound up being an All-Star for a headcase in Nyjer and now a terrible pitcher in Burnett.  We need to be careful.
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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1211 on: July 30, 2011, 06:03:40 pm »
Quote from: ZIM4MVP on July 30, 2011, 06:01:23 pm
Seems like the Nats are all about shedding money and signing young talent.  If you constantly "build for the future" when do you start winning championships?

I sort of agree with this mentality but I believe the spending money part mostly relates to free agency. We obviously weren't going to win the series this year so its much better to get rid of Marquis and gain a prospect that could do something for this team with longer team control. If we got Span, he would also be on this team for a few years and he would be our leadoff/center fielder to boot. That's a trade that helps this team get a championship faster.
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Offline spidernat

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1212 on: July 30, 2011, 06:05:14 pm »
Quote from: ZIM4MVP on July 30, 2011, 06:01:23 pm
Seems like the Nats are all about shedding money and signing young talent.  If you constantly "build for the future" when do you start winning championships?


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Offline cmdterps44

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1213 on: July 30, 2011, 06:05:47 pm »
Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 06:02:40 pm
The most comparable player to Denard Span statistically is Jacoby Ellsbury.  I'm sorry guys, this is not worth trading Tyler Clippard and certainly not Drew Storen for.  There is some weird obsession with a leadoff hitting CF in D.C., when we could simply use Lombo as the leadoff man for many years to come without trading away our bullpen.  We saw how this worked out last time when we gave away a pitcher who wound up being an All-Star for a headcase in Nyjer and now a terrible pitcher in Burnett.  We need to be careful.

Quote from: cmdterps44 on July 30, 2011, 05:58:25 pm
get your head out of the gutter.

We are "obsessed" with a CF leadoff hitter because that would knock out two birds with one stone. Lombo is still in the minors. Span has been a lead off hitter as well as a great CF for a couple years now. He is proven, Lombo isn't. Lombo is a damn good hitter though and we can still use that. I would rather trade for a certain leadoff hitter than I would risk placing a rookie in a leadoff spot.
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Offline wpa2629

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1214 on: July 30, 2011, 06:05:54 pm »
If I hear one more word about Joel freaking Hanrahan, I'm going to have a fit. He SUCKED here. Get it, he freakING SUCKED HERE. He's doing better now, good for him, who gives a crap. Trading him at the time was a NO BRAINER. He has no bearing on and no resemblance whatsoever to Drew Storen and the current situation now. None, zero, zilch, nada.
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Offline Nathan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1215 on: July 30, 2011, 06:07:09 pm »
Quote from: wpa2629 on July 30, 2011, 06:05:54 pm
If I hear one more word about Joel freaking Hanrahan, I'm going to have a fit. He SUCKED here. Get it, he freakING SUCKED HERE. He's doing better now, good for him, who gives a crap. Trading him at the time was a NO BRAINER. He has no bearing on and no resemblance whatsoever to Drew Storen and the current situation now. None, zero, zilch, nada.
Need a hug?
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Offline Bloo

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1216 on: July 30, 2011, 06:08:05 pm »
I'm sorry but whenever I think of Mike Rizzo making a move I envision Chancellor Palpatine signaling for Order 66.
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Offline NFA Brian

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1217 on: July 30, 2011, 06:08:08 pm »
Quote from: ZIM4MVP on July 30, 2011, 06:01:23 pm
Seems like the Nats are all about shedding money and signing young talent.  If you constantly "build for the future" when do you start winning championships?

took the Rays nearly a decade
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Offline Once an Expos Fan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1218 on: July 30, 2011, 06:09:04 pm »
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Offline Nathan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1219 on: July 30, 2011, 06:09:19 pm »
Quote from: Bloo on July 30, 2011, 06:08:05 pm
I'm sorry but whenever I think of Mike Rizzo making a move I envision Chancellor Palpatine signaling for Order 66.
:lmao: you are such a nerd.







You're going to fit right in here :P
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Offline wpa2629

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1220 on: July 30, 2011, 06:09:28 pm »
Quote from: Nathan on July 30, 2011, 06:07:09 pm
Need a hug?

No, I need people to stop talking about Joel freaking Hanrahan. He was the single most exasperating player I've ever rooted for ever. He was root canal here. Listening to people talk it's like he was Mo frickin Rivera when he was here and we traded him away for fun. Revisionist history combined with EMO douchebaggery is freaking annoying.
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Offline chemist

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1221 on: July 30, 2011, 06:10:02 pm »
Quote from: wpa2629 on July 30, 2011, 06:09:28 pm
No, I need people to stop talking about Joel freaking Hanrahan. He was the single most exasperating player I've ever rooted for ever. He was root canal here. Listening to people talk it's like he was Mo frickin Rivera when he was here and we traded him away for fun. Revisionist history combined with EMO douchebaggery is freaking annoying.

wpa, you are far and away my favorite poster here.
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Offline Nathan

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1222 on: July 30, 2011, 06:10:12 pm »
Quote from: wpa2629 on July 30, 2011, 06:09:28 pm
No, I need people to stop talking about Joel freaking Hanrahan. He was the single most exasperating player I've ever rooted for ever. He was root canal here. Listening to people talk it's like he was Mo frickin Rivera when he was here and we traded him away for fun. Revisionist history combined with EMO douchebaggery is freaking annoying.
Now I need a hug :'(
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Offline Slateman

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1223 on: July 30, 2011, 06:10:38 pm »
Quote from: NatsSince05 on July 30, 2011, 06:02:40 pm
The most comparable player to Denard Span statistically is Jacoby Ellsbury.  I'm sorry guys, this is not worth trading Tyler Clippard and certainly not Drew Storen for.  There is some weird obsession with a leadoff hitting CF in D.C., when we could simply use Lombo as the leadoff man for many years to come without trading away our bullpen.  We saw how this worked out last time when we gave away a pitcher who wound up being an All-Star for a headcase in Nyjer and now a terrible pitcher in Burnett.  We need to be careful.
You have to be kidding. Ellsbury is miles ahead of Span or anyone else batting leadoff. Ellsbury is the best leadoff hitter in baseball right now and one of the top 3 centerfielders.
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Offline wpa2629

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Re: 2011 Trade Deadline Watch Watch
« Reply #1224 on: July 30, 2011, 06:11:17 pm »
Quote from: chemist on July 30, 2011, 06:10:02 pm
wpa, you are far and away my favorite poster here.

LOL

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