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Offline tomterp

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Matt Stairs should absolutely, positively go on the DL, regardless of the severity of his injury.  


What's wrong with Stairs? 


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What senile old Tommy LaSorda says about the Nats should be completely irrelevant as to how we view our team.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.  How we view the players that make the team and take the field, is of course irrelevant to those types of statements.  How we view the people making the decisions that affects those players is relevant to comments like those LaSorda and others have made that were obviously fed to them by the FO.

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Are you really referring to how long they've hung in there with Stairs?  I'm not sure there were a bunch of moves available to Rizzo that he failed to make.

Outside of one hit Stares hasn't contributed anything to the team this season that's quantifiable.  I might be forgetting something Stares did so I apologize in advance but there's little I can see that he's done on the field outside of that one hit that's helped the team.

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It would seem they've found another lefty specialist (Romero) who is likely to join the team soon.  Wang could be the long man/swinger before July is finished.  Bixler seems to be contributed now, and Cora's been reasonable useful though a better bat would be nice.

Bixler and Cora have been great additions as has Hairston, the other two guys you mentioned (Romero and Wang) are still question marks at this time.  It would great if they could contribute to the MLB squad but at this time that's still to be seen.  

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I'm really excited about the team too, and can certainly see us being competitive for years to come.  Are gloomy because you think we'll have trouble closing >= .500 with the bench we've got?

As of right now we will be in serious trouble if the starting pitching collapses or we suffer another injury setback.  Bixler, while great on the basepaths and decent in the field, doesn't have much to offer in the way of a bat; the same is true of Cora.  My main beef with Stares is that he's less than half of a player - he can't run or field and his bat is lacking to say the least.  

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Rizzo is a huge fan of options... so I think Marrero would be the only choice as he's the only one of the three currently on the 40 man.

And Adam LaRoche should already be but inexplicably isn't on the 60-day DL which would clear a spot on the 40-man roster to purchase the contract of Antonelli or Lombardozzi.

...and let's not forget, even more inexplicably, Garrett Mock is still on the 40-man roster.  If Garrett Mock EVER throws another pitch as a Washington National, this team will have taken a step back the likes of which we've never seen!

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Stairs is a color analyst liaison. He is still here to keep F.P. from going Dibble on the team. Classic P.R. move by a cellar dweller. ;)

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I don't even think the Yankees could maintain their level of production if their 1st and 3rd basemen went down for half a season or more.  They'd be playing Eric Chavez and Chris Dickerson if that happened.  Or maybe Andruw Jones out of position and then they'd have no depth in the OF.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.  How we view the players that make the team and take the field, is of course irrelevant to those types of statements.  How we view the people making the decisions that affects those players is relevant to comments like those LaSorda and others have made that were obviously fed to them by the FO.
 
Outside of one hit Stares hasn't contributed anything to the team this season that's quantifiable.  I might be forgetting something Stares did so I apologize in advance but there's little I can see that he's done on the field outside of that one hit that's helped the team.


We'll have to agree to disagree on whether anything LaSorda says is relevant.  I lose no sleep over it.

I agree on Stairs, he should have been gone a long time ago.  Kudos to Johnson however, for looking every man on the 25-man roster in the eyes and making them realize they are a full part of the team and will be expected to contribute, and given the opportunity to contribute.  I hate this "he sucks so keep him off the field" mentality, as 25 men is not too many to win with.  You need them all to contribute, and I think Johnson's philosophy is a long-haul full season roster management view.  But I digress.

Aside from Stairs, and maybe how long it took to find a problem with Slaten, what else should Rizzo have done?


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Thanks, appreciate the help.

He left yesterday's game due to injury... I think to his knee?

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Thanks, appreciate the help.

I believe he injured his knee when he was trying to catch that popup near the seats.  I believe it was when he hit the railing.

See, that's what happens when you have a 43-year old (speaking as a 43-year old) trying to field a position.  So I know, personally, that injuries of 43-year olds don't heal quickly.

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who cares if his ankle hurts, when his on field play hurts even more.

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He left yesterday's game due to injury... I think to his knee?

I haven't seen anything in the media as far as follow up, is why I was asking.  I see people talking about 60 day DL, is that just wishful thinking?

I don't have unlimited surf time today unfortunately...

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who cares if his ankle hurts, when his on field play hurts even more.

Maybe it matters if he needs to be DL'd or not?  And it appears to be a knee injury.  I'm thinking you know less about this than I do, which is an accomplishment.   :roll:

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I believe he injured his knee when he was trying to catch that popup near the seats.  I believe it was when he hit the railing.
Boy, he hit that railing at full speed. He never saw it coming. It was like he hadn't played the field for years. Oh, wait a minute...

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We'll have to agree to disagree on whether anything LaSorda says is relevant.  I lose no sleep over it.

My only point was that it was nonsensical, you're right that it's irrelevant to the play on the field by the guys that don't have the last name Lerner.   

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Aside from Stairs, and maybe how long it took to find a problem with Slaten, what else should Rizzo have done?

He should have made a move on LaRoche and Gaudin as soon as they knew they were shot or the season/over with.  Playing those two as long as he did (in addition to Slaten) was a really bad move. 

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He should have made a move on LaRoche and Gaudin as soon as they knew they were shot or the season/over with.  Playing those two as long as he did (in addition to Slaten) was a really bad move. 

Gaudin was put on the DL a day after he pitched in a game.

Same with Slaten.


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He should have made a move on LaRoche and Gaudin as soon as they knew they were shot or the season/over with.  Playing those two as long as he did (in addition to Slaten) was a really bad move.  

It's always a tough call as to how long you hang in there with a guy who's struggling.  You're right on LaRoche and Gaudin, but it seems like Bixler is coming around to finding his niche.  SF would have them all Pattersoned within 3 games.    :evil:

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Gaudin was put on the DL a day after he pitched in a game.

Same with Slaten.

After how many games though?

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It's always a tough call as to how long you hang in there with a guy who's struggling.  You're right on LaRoche and Gaudin, but it seems like Bixler is coming around to finding his niche.  SF would have them all Pattersoned within 3 games.    :evil:

Bixler has been a pleasant surprise, especially on the basepaths.  SF would want Strasburg Pattersoned if he struggles in his first post-TJ MLB start.  

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After how many games though?

You said Rizzo should have put them on the DL as soon as they were shot, which he did.

What else could he have done?

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You said Rizzo should have put them on the DL as soon as they were shot, which he did.

What else could he have done?

He DLed them way too late.

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He should have made a move on LaRoche and Gaudin as soon as they knew they were shot or the season/over with.  Playing those two as long as he did (in addition to Slaten) was a really bad move. 

This plus keeping Stairs = paper thin roster?

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He DLed them way too late.

Gaudin was with the team for 3 1/2 weeks! How in the world can that be way too late?

And even if we lived in some weird parallel universe where 3 1/2 weeks into the season was considered way too late, how do you know it was too late? Were you privy to their medical records?

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Gaudin was with the team for 3 1/2 weeks! How in the world can that be way too late?

And even if we lived in some weird parallel universe where 3 1/2 weeks into the season was considered way too late, how do you know it was too late? Were you privy to their medical records?


Did you watch any of the games where Gaudin pitched?  It was obvious in game two that he was over with. 

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This plus keeping Stairs = paper thin roster?

Question - what happens if Nix gets hurts?