Author Topic: NFL thread (2011-12) (Read 107270 times)

spidernat · « **Reply #425:** August 18, 2011, 09:47:38 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 18, 2011, 09:32:51 PM

I really like the Eagles on paper but I've got a feeling Vick is either going to get hurt or revert back to his usual self this year. Agree/disagree?

It depends on what goes on around him. He will need all the other pieces to work well if not he will go back to being a playground QB.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #426:** August 18, 2011, 09:47:53 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 18, 2011, 09:32:51 PM

I really like the Eagles on paper but I've got a feeling Vick is either going to get hurt or revert back to his usual self this year. Agree/disagree?

Does he ever not get injured?

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #427:** August 18, 2011, 10:54:06 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 18, 2011, 09:32:51 PM

I really like the Eagles on paper but I've got a feeling Vick is either going to get hurt or revert back to his usual self this year. Agree/disagree?

definitely agree.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #428:** August 20, 2011, 09:34:35 PM »

Larry Fitzgerald resigned for $120 million... what the freak? He's good, but not top 5 in the league good.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #429:** August 20, 2011, 09:37:21 PM »

Espn is reporting tebow is third string- does this mean god doesn't actually like him?

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #430:** August 20, 2011, 09:41:11 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 20, 2011, 09:37:21 PM

Espn is reporting tebow is third string- does this mean god doesn't actually like him?

It's obviously a challenge from God.

spidernat · « **Reply #431:** August 20, 2011, 09:47:19 PM »

Quote from: PatsNats28 on August 20, 2011, 09:34:35 PM

Larry Fitzgerald resigned for $120 million... what the freak? He's good, but not top 5 in the league good.

Who are the 5 better than Fitzgerald?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #432:** August 20, 2011, 09:52:04 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on August 20, 2011, 09:47:19 PM

Who are the 5 better than Fitzgerald?

Some guys I'd give a bigger deal than Fitzgerald (Manning Breede and Brady aren't on the list because they're too close to the end of their careers)

Aaron Rogers
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Josh Freeman
Joe Flaco

The only position I'd overpay that much is qb

spidernat · « **Reply #433:** August 20, 2011, 09:54:59 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 20, 2011, 09:52:04 PM

Some guys I'd give a bigger deal than Fitzgerald (Manning Breede and Brady aren't on the list because they're too close to the end of their careers)

Aaron Rogers
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Josh Freeman
Joe Flaco

The only position I'd overpay that much is qb

I thought this was a discussion about the WR position on;y. I wouldn't even think of challenging the notion that Fitzgerald isn't a top 5 player in the league.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #434:** August 20, 2011, 09:58:11 PM »

He's paid like a top five player now- just as stupid as paying Chris Johnson that way

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #435:** August 20, 2011, 10:08:17 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on August 20, 2011, 09:47:19 PM

Who are the 5 better than Fitzgerald?

Yeah I meant top 5 in the whole league. Top 5 WR, yes, but that's top 5 in the league money.

UMDNats · « **Reply #436:** August 20, 2011, 10:27:20 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 20, 2011, 09:52:04 PM

Some guys I'd give a bigger deal than Fitzgerald (Manning Breede and Brady aren't on the list because they're too close to the end of their careers)

Aaron Rogers
Philip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Josh Freeman
Joe Flaco

The only position I'd overpay that much is qb

youd give freeman that much $ after what, 1 year? wow

spidernat · « **Reply #437:** August 20, 2011, 10:38:38 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 20, 2011, 10:27:20 PM

youd give freeman that much $ after what, 1 year? wow

I agree. I have seen enough of Ryan but no way would I put Freeman in that category. Flacco doesn't belong anywhere near that list though.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #438:** August 20, 2011, 10:41:14 PM »

I'd still gave Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, maybe Brees that money over Fitz.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #439:** August 20, 2011, 10:56:34 PM »

Quote from: spidernat on August 20, 2011, 10:38:38 PM

I agree. I have seen enough of Ryan but no way would I put Freeman in that category. Flacco doesn't belong anywhere near that list though.

I pay either of them over a WR- even if you take them out put Schaub and Vick in

RD · « **Reply #440:** August 20, 2011, 11:16:56 PM »

Thing is, it's tough to compare contracts from this off season on, to past ones.

With more money allocated to veterans(with the decline in rookie salaries), every vet that signs a new deal is going to make more than comparable players from the past.

Not necessarily saying Fitz is worth the deal he signed, but NFL players never see the full length of their deals anyway.

BerkeleyNat · « **Reply #441:** August 21, 2011, 10:53:42 AM »

Quote from: spidernat on August 20, 2011, 10:38:38 PM

I agree. I have seen enough of Ryan but no way would I put Freeman in that category. Flacco doesn't belong anywhere near that list though.

Hell, I'm a Ravens fan and I don't think Flacco is anywhere near the top five. I wouldn't put Matty Ice or Freeman anywhere near the top 5 either.

BerkeleyNat · « **Reply #442:** August 21, 2011, 10:55:46 AM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 20, 2011, 10:27:20 PM

youd give freeman that much $ after what, 1 year? wow

ESPN's pundits have been raving about Freeman this offseason. Gotta see more before I buy the hype. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think he is the next great one.

UMDNats · « **Reply #443:** August 21, 2011, 10:56:30 AM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 20, 2011, 10:56:34 PM

I pay either of them over a WR- even if you take them out put Schaub and Vick in

most WRs aren't worth more than a QB but Fitz is worth more money than flacco, freeman, vick and schaub

3 WRs i'd give big money to

calvin johnson
fitz
andre johnson

BerkeleyNat · « **Reply #444:** August 21, 2011, 10:57:29 AM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 18, 2011, 09:32:51 PM

I really like the Eagles on paper but I've got a feeling Vick is either going to get hurt or revert back to his usual self this year. Agree/disagree?

I think the Eagles are overrated. I won't deny that they have the pieces to win, but this is an Andy Reid team. They'll get to the NFC championship game and choke.

UMDNats · « **Reply #445:** August 21, 2011, 11:09:31 AM »

Quote from: BerkeleyNat on August 21, 2011, 10:55:46 AM

ESPN's pundits have been raving about Freeman this offseason. Gotta see more before I buy the hype. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think he is the next great one.

i believe he'll be a good NFL qb but it's too early to pump him up

that of course means ESPN will anoint him the next brady

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #446:** August 21, 2011, 03:08:28 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 21, 2011, 10:56:30 AM

most WRs aren't worth more than a QB but Fitz is worth more money than flacco, freeman, vick and schaub

3 WRs i'd give big money to

calvin johnson
fitz
andre johnson

the funny thing is all three missed the playoffs last year- top receivers are very overrated

UMDNats · « **Reply #447:** August 21, 2011, 03:23:24 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 21, 2011, 03:08:28 PM

the funny thing is all three missed the playoffs last year- top receivers are very overrated

because the receivers are why arizona, detroit and houston missed the playoffs

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #448:** August 21, 2011, 03:28:02 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 21, 2011, 03:23:24 PM

because the receivers are why arizona, detroit and houston missed the playoffs

Because they don't add enough to carry a team- take away a good qb and most teams are screwed- take away an elite WR and most can get by

UMDNats · « **Reply #449:** August 21, 2011, 03:37:46 PM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on August 21, 2011, 03:28:02 PM

Because they don't add enough to carry a team- take away a good qb and most teams are screwed- take away an elite WR and most can get by

im not going to argue that a QB is more important than a WR, it obviously is, but i disagree with your assessment that you'd give big money to josh freeman and joe flacco before someone like fitz