Fire Rizzo

[Slateman]

The Doolittle trade is probably the worst, simply because Treinen became everything we needed. One of the best relievers in baseball was here, but the Nats couldnt develop him.

And it was almost instantaneous. With Oakland in 2017, he cut his walk rate in half. After that, he was just as effective a reliever as Doolittle was.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

No GM is perfect, but Rizzo took over a train wreck and competed for a decade and got us a ring.  Now, I think he’s laid a very solid foundation with the rebuild.  I think it would be a huge mistake not to let him see this rebuild through.

[imref]

The Doolittle trade is probably the worst, simply because Treinen became everything we needed. One of the best relievers in baseball was here, but the Nats couldnt develop him.

And it was almost instantaneous. With Oakland in 2017, he cut his walk rate in half. After that, he was just as effective a reliever as Doolittle was.

Trienan was great in 2018 for the A's and awful in 2019. Was the 2018 performance due to A's coaches and player development, or was 2019?

I recall one year when for a while, Doolitte was the only reliable reliever in our bullpen, 2019 IIRC?

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

I mean, he’s had some damn good trades. Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos, Guz for Roark and I can’t think of anyone that became anything that we gave up for Span? I never cared for the Eaton trade and what we gave up but he was rolling here when he blew his knee out. The Howie Kendrick trade was pretty damn good too. He’s a good GM. We’re lucky to have him.

[HalfSmokes]

I don't understand what some fans want? We were good for 10 years and won a world series. Many of you clamored for him to throw caution to the wind and trade prospects for talent because the window was closing. So in the end, we dealt away guys like Luzardo, Dunning and Giolito to go after it which resulted in a championship. I do agree his drafting has left a lot to be desired but he's been really good in most other aspects and the farm system has jumped all the way to the top 5 and this draft looks like a winner. I think firing Rizzo would be a huge mistake. I think this team is competing for the pennant again in two years.

A watchable product

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

A watchable product

You had it for a decade and the team got old. They kept it together as long as possible and won a World Series. After draining the farm to get there they’re back to having a top 5 system. All this is being accomplished with an ownership group that doesn’t want the team and has no interest in paying for anything.

[Slateman]

You had it for a decade and the team got old. They kept it together as long as possible and won a World Series. After draining the farm to get there they’re back to having a top 5 system. All this is being accomplished with an ownership group that doesn’t want the team and has no interest in paying for anything.

Correction. We had it for 8 seasons and then found out Rizzo 's drafting sucked

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

Correction. We had it for 8 seasons and then found out Rizzo 's drafting sucked

Dude come on. 8 years is damn close to a decade. There’s plenty of fanbases that would take 4 years of crappy baseball if it meant they got a World Series title out of it to start. That’s not an excuse as there needs to be an improvement in drafting but the team has a bright future and we’re loading up with young talent.

[Slateman]

Dude come on. 8 years is damn close to a decade. There’s plenty of fanbases that would take 4 years of crappy baseball if it meant they got a World Series title out of it to start. That’s not an excuse as there needs to be an improvement in drafting but the team has a bright future and we’re loading up with young talent.

Because fans have endured 4 seasons of utter garbage.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

Because fans have endured 4 seasons of utter garbage.

You’re one of the main guys who asked for this. You constantly said the window was closing and wanted to trade everyone to win. You got what you wanted and now you’re upset by it?

[HalfSmokes]

You’re one of the main guys who asked for this. You constantly said the window was closing and wanted to trade everyone to win. You got what you wanted and now you’re upset by it?

4 years of garbage, plus the garbage that preceded it. Meanwhile, other teams manage to not bottom out

[Slateman]

You’re one of the main guys who asked for this. You constantly said the window was closing and wanted to trade everyone to win. You got what you wanted and now you’re upset by it?

I was kind of hoping that Rizzo would, you know, actually rebuild. And adapt to the modern game. He hasnt.

What most of us are "upset" by is ownership that clearly has no interest in a winning team. That Rizzo is still here is evidence of that.

Rizzo is the master of the trade. You give him multiple seasons of scouting info and he will wheel and deal with the best of them. But beyond that, Rizzo is pretty mediocre. Baseball has changed a lot in the last 5-10 years, and Rizzo has simply not kept up.

Rizzo had to trade two HoFers and an MVP candidate to make up for his shortcomings has GM for the last decade. He's the second biggest reason why the Nationals are at the cusp of back to back 100 loss seasons.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

I was kind of hoping that Rizzo would, you know, actually rebuild. And adapt to the modern game. He hasnt.

What most of us are "upset" by is ownership that clearly has no interest in a winning team. That Rizzo is still here is evidence of that.

Rizzo is the master of the trade. You give him multiple seasons of scouting info and he will wheel and deal with the best of them. But beyond that, Rizzo is pretty mediocre. Baseball has changed a lot in the last 5-10 years, and Rizzo has simply not kept up.

Rizzo had to trade two HoFers and an MVP candidate to make up for his shortcomings has GM for the last decade. He's the second biggest reason why the Nationals are at the cusp of back to back 100 loss seasons.

How did those two HoFers and that MVP candidate end up on the roster to begin with?

*removed my snarky comment at the end of my post. Not how I aim to engage here. My apologies Slate

[Slateman]

How did those two HoFers and that MVP candidate end up on the roster to begin with?

*removed my snarky comment at the end of my post. Not how I aim to engage here. My apologies Slate

The Lerners signed one. Johnny DiPuglia got the other (and wanted to get Ronald Acuna, but Rizzo said no). And Rizzo traded for the third. Like I said, master of the trade, pretty terrible at everything.

2019 was luck and even Rizzo didn't believe it would happen. If he thought his team had a chance in hell in the postseason, he would have gotten more than Daniel Hudson at the deadline.

[Natsinpwc]

How did those two HoFers and that MVP candidate end up on the roster to begin with?

*removed my snarky comment at the end of my post. Not how I aim to engage here. My apologies Slate

The fact that ownership doesn’t want to spend money has nothing to do with it? Take out the Strasburg contract and this team is near the bottom in payroll.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

The Lerners signed one. Johnny DiPuglia got the other (and wanted to get Ronald Acuna, but Rizzo said no). And Rizzo traded for the third. Like I said, master of the trade, pretty terrible at everything.

2019 was luck and even Rizzo didn't believe it would happen. If he thought his team had a chance in hell in the postseason, he would have gotten more than Daniel Hudson at the deadline.

So we just aren't giving the GM credit for the players acquired?

Also:

After the Nationals won the World Series, the teams Vice President of International Operations Johnny DiPuglia told MLB Network that he had a chance to sign Ronald Acuna Jr., but squandered the opportunity. The story was covered by NBC Sports Washington. DiPuglia stated:

“This one was really deadly for me,”. “Ronald Acuna, verbally had an agreement with him. Later in the day, he said he wanted more money and I didn’t amp up.” “So I could’ve had Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto and Victor Robles.”

[Natsinpwc]

The Lerners signed one. Johnny DiPuglia got the other (and wanted to get Ronald Acuna, but Rizzo said no). And Rizzo traded for the third. Like I said, master of the trade, pretty terrible at everything.

2019 was luck and even Rizzo didn't believe it would happen. If he thought his team had a chance in hell in the postseason, he would have gotten more than Daniel Hudson at the deadline.

No matter how many times you say 2019 was luck the championship counts the same as a it one else’s. Look it up and tell me if you see any asterisk next to it.

Rizzo has been handcuffed in signing anyone the past two years. And this year he was not allowed to trade anyone other than Candy. Until the owners decide what they want to do the team is in limbo no matter the GM.

[Slateman]

So we just aren't giving the GM credit for the players acquired?

Also:

After the Nationals won the World Series, the teams Vice President of International Operations Johnny DiPuglia told MLB Network that he had a chance to sign Ronald Acuna Jr., but squandered the opportunity. The story was covered by NBC Sports Washington. DiPuglia stated:

“This one was really deadly for me,”. “Ronald Acuna, verbally had an agreement with him. Later in the day, he said he wanted more money and I didn’t amp up.” “So I could’ve had Ronald Acuna, Juan Soto and Victor Robles.”

Given all the failures in the same area, I'm going to put Soto in the random luck category. Yea, he signed Soto. He also signed Maya, Garcia, and Antuna. And do you really think it was DiPuglia that had the final say in money? If so, maybe we should just make him the GM.

Game passed Rizzo by around 2015. He hasn't adapted and the Nats need to actually rebuild, not trade away all stars for flashy prospects and hope they turn into big leaguers.

[Slateman]

No matter how many times you say 2019 was luck the championship counts the same as a it one else’s. Look it up and tell me if you see any asterisk next to it.

Rizzo has been handcuffed in signing anyone the past two years. And this year he was not allowed to trade anyone other than Candy. Until the owners decide what they want to do the team is in limbo no matter the GM.

I agree, which is why I said Rizzo was the second biggest reason. And while he has been hampered by a lack of money, that doesn't explain the dearth of talent from his drafts.

[HalfSmokes]

No matter how many times you say 2019 was luck the championship counts the same as a it one else’s. Look it up and tell me if you see any asterisk next to it.

Rizzo has been handcuffed in signing anyone the past two years. And this year he was not allowed to trade anyone other than Candy. Until the owners decide what they want to do the team is in limbo no matter the GM.

Cool, so we’re the Marlins. Other teams manage to avoid 100 loss seasons immediately after winning the World Series

[Slateman]

Cool, so we’re the Marlins. Other teams manage to avoid 100 loss seasons immediately after winning the World Series

It would be really cool if we could develop pitching as well as the Marlins

[IanRubbish]

Dude come on. 8 years is damn close to a decade. There’s plenty of fanbases that would take 4 years of crappy baseball if it meant they got a World Series title out of it to start.

The Giants had 8 straight winning seasons which included 3 WS titles.  They had 4 straight losing seasons after that but maintained a .450+ win percentage in 3 of those, and then began contending again.  There is no excuse for the massive tanking in a market the size of DC, Rizzo's poor drafting, and especially the obscene use of deferrals in large contracts. 

[Natsinpwc]

The Giants had 8 straight winning seasons which included 3 WS titles.  They had 4 straight losing seasons after that but maintained a .450+ win percentage in 3 of those, and then began contending again.  There is no excuse for the massive tanking in a market the size of DC, Rizzo's poor drafting, and especially the obscene use of deferrals in large contracts.

You’re confusing Rizzo with the ownership. They decide on contracts with deferrals. They also gladly embraced a bottom payroll the last couple of years. Let’s hope they either sell or decide to spend a bit again to compete. Thai would have been a good year to do that given we can’t get a high draft pick.

[Natsinpwc]

Seems like you are better off having some 100 loss seasons to get a high draft pick rather than rattling around the middle when you have no real chance to win. Got the team Dylan Crews.

[Natsinpwc]

I agree, which is why I said Rizzo was the second biggest reason. And while he has been hampered by a lack of money, that doesn't explain the dearth of talent from his drafts.

It’s not his strength but they seem to have done ok in Latin America despite not signing Acuna.  To me there are four legs to the chair. Drafting. Latino and other overseas signings. Trades.  And free agent signings.