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Offline Slateman

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4350: August 02, 2022, 12:23:49 PM »
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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4351: August 02, 2022, 12:27:30 PM »
Fire Rizzo?  As in, like, fire him out of a cannon?

Fine with me.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4352: August 23, 2022, 02:44:53 PM »
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-general-manager-hot-seat-rankings-three-top-executives-feeling-pressure-including-nationals-mike-rizzo/

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1. Mike Rizzo, Washington Nationals

Rizzo is a good example of how quickly things can change in professional baseball. He's not even three full years removed from hoisting the World Series trophy, yet here he is on the top of our list. Rizzo's catbird position has a lot to do with the Nationals' impending ownership change: it stands to reason that whichever billionaire takes over will want to install their own braintrust. They may allow Rizzo (and manager Dave Martinez, for that matter) to hang around into next year as they settle in, but the sword of Damocles will continue to loom overhead. It doesn't help that the Nationals have bled front-office talent in recent years, particularly on the analytical side, or that their player-development processes have failed to get the most out of several former top prospects, including Victor Robles and Carter Kieboom. As unfair as it is to put all of the blame for those shortcomings at Rizzo's feet, that's simply how it goes.
Sounds about right to me

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4353: August 23, 2022, 03:05:48 PM »
The record doesn't necessarily have to improve by leaps and bounds next season. But the minors have to continue improving quickly, the FA signings can't be as awful as Cruz and Hernandez, and the on field product has to be better fundamentally. Or new ownership will kick him to the curb and let the next GM come in and try to make the next window a better bet.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4354: August 23, 2022, 04:58:44 PM »
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-general-manager-hot-seat-rankings-three-top-executives-feeling-pressure-including-nationals-mike-rizzo/
Sounds about right to me

Yeah.  I might put him behind Minasian - how can you draft 19 college pitchers in a single draft and at the end of the next season have atrocious pitching at A+ and AA? - but yeah. 

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4356: November 11, 2022, 02:01:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1591123075361275911?s=20&t=dFcP6gr0TN83tR4QB3yl-Q

FIRE RIZZO RIGHT freakING NOW

Why on earth with Click come here with so much ownership uncertainty?


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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4358: November 11, 2022, 04:10:59 PM »
Apparently they just fired their assistant GM too, so maybe that's an option if Click has another destination in mind (and if the team comes to its senses and fires Rizzo).

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« Reply #4359: November 11, 2022, 04:43:33 PM »
Or, we could try to hire the guy who built a team from a loser to a team that averaged 91 wins a year from 2012 to 2019. Oh wait, we already have that guy.

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« Reply #4360: November 11, 2022, 04:53:00 PM »
Or, we could try to hire the guy who built a team from a loser to a team that averaged 91 wins a year from 2012 to 2019. Oh wait, we already have that guy.

That guy must be awesome. Has he been crushing the draft? How’s his team doing now?

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4361: November 11, 2022, 04:55:14 PM »
That guy must be awesome. Has he been crushing the draft? How’s his team doing now?
Exactly! He made GREAT trades and fell into a couple of "generational player" drafts and we got better and then won it al, but our cupboards are bare and now we stink and that's on the GM!

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4362: November 11, 2022, 05:05:10 PM »
Or, we could try to hire the guy who built a team from a loser to a team that averaged 91 wins a year from 2012 to 2019. Oh wait, we already have that guy.

You mean the guy who had multiple generational and MVP caliber players, and turned it into a 100+ loss team?

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4363: November 11, 2022, 06:17:25 PM »
Wasn't like 95% of the Astros team this year from Luhnow.  Should hire him instead. 

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« Reply #4364: November 11, 2022, 06:28:06 PM »
Wasn't like 95% of the Astros team this year from Luhnow.  Should hire him instead.

There’s enough “dark arts“ in town already

https://news.yahoo.com/ex-astros-general-manager-jeff-041846892.html

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4365: November 11, 2022, 06:38:16 PM »
Wasn't like 95% of the Astros team this year from Luhnow.  Should hire him instead. 
He built a Dusty-proof bullpen. That alone makes him a top 10 GM of all time

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« Reply #4366: November 11, 2022, 08:22:37 PM »
Wasn't like 95% of the Astros team this year from Luhnow.  Should hire him instead.

Exactly. There's no way the present GM can take credit for building the 2022 world series champions. Luhnow built this team.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4367: November 11, 2022, 08:31:50 PM »
Exactly. There's no way the present GM can take credit for building the 2022 world series champions. Luhnow built this team.
Except Click was the one who built the pitcher development. Javier and Valdez werent even prospects when Click took over. Urquidy was on the way to being a reliever. Massive improvement by McCullers with a total re-development of his pitching.

Click played a huge part in developing this WS team and completely revamping the pitching. The Astros can lose Verlander and be back in the WS mix. How many teams are built to lose a HoF ace in his prime? 

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« Reply #4368: November 11, 2022, 10:44:16 PM »
Except Click was the one who built the pitcher development. Javier and Valdez werent even prospects when Click took over. Urquidy was on the way to being a reliever. Massive improvement by McCullers with a total re-development of his pitching.

Click played a huge part in developing this WS team and completely revamping the pitching. The Astros can lose Verlander and be back in the WS mix. How many teams are built to lose a HoF ace in his prime?

Luhnow is responsible for Acquiring Abreu, Verlander, Urquidy, Valdez and Pressley. He's even responsible for acquiring the stud shortstop who took Correa's place. I think Luhnow gets more credit for the pitching staff than Click.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4369: November 12, 2022, 07:03:27 AM »
Luhnow is responsible for Acquiring Abreu, Verlander, Urquidy, Valdez and Pressley. He's even responsible for acquiring the stud shortstop who took Correa's place. I think Luhnow gets more credit for the pitching staff than Click.

Urquidy was projected for long relief. Valdez and Javier were projected to be single inning relievers.

Click oversaw an entire revamping of the front office. There is no one left from Luhnow's tenure. That revamped front office turned Framber Valdez into a top 10 pitcher baseball, Javier into a viable starter who gave up one hit in two playoff starts, and Urquidy was developed into a guy that half his starts were quality starts.

Oh and building/developing the bullpen that was Dusty-prood. Yea, no, Click is light years ahead of the dude who had to cheat to win a WS

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« Reply #4370: November 12, 2022, 07:57:52 AM »
Urquidy was projected for long relief. Valdez and Javier were projected to be single inning relievers.

Click oversaw an entire revamping of the front office. There is no one left from Luhnow's tenure. That revamped front office turned Framber Valdez into a top 10 pitcher baseball, Javier into a viable starter who gave up one hit in two playoff starts, and Urquidy was developed into a guy that half his starts were quality starts.

Oh and building/developing the bullpen that was Dusty-prood. Yea, no, Click is light years ahead of the dude who had to cheat to win a WS
Maybe the projections were just wrong. Ranger Suarez was never in the Phillies top prospects list and all of a sudden in 2021 he bursts onto the scene. First in the pen and then as a starter. Does a decent job this year as a full time starter. Is that all on the current regime for “developing him”. Doesn’t the Klentak regime get credit for signing him?  It’s not an all or nothing world.

Click definitely gets credit for getting Houston past the scandal. Apparently Crane hired Dusty and Dusty does not like the analytics.  So Crane has sided with Dusty. Also Verlander said he negotiated his deal with Crane. Crane thinks he is Jerry Jones.  Seems strange to me. In any event Click will surface somewhere and likely a team with more potential than the Nats. No use hiring a new GM without knowing what ownerships commitment is. The current ownership just wants a bare bones operation until they sell.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4371: November 12, 2022, 12:41:49 PM »
rNo use hiring a new GM without knowing what ownerships commitment is. The current ownership just wants a bare bones operation until they sell.

This is the biggest problem with MASN issues delaying the sale. Wholesale change is needed now. Every year we wait resets the rebuild clock

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4372: November 12, 2022, 01:33:02 PM »
This is the biggest problem with MASN issues delaying the sale. Wholesale change is needed now. Every year we wait resets the rebuild clock
Just relax. 2023 is another tanking year.

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4373: November 12, 2022, 01:48:55 PM »
Just relax. 2023 is another tanking year.
Yep and in 2024, we'll be talking about trading Ruiz

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Re: Fire Rizzo
« Reply #4374: November 12, 2022, 03:22:39 PM »
we're in a holding pattern until the MASN issues are resolved, probably by no later than 2035