Strasburg TJ surgery & ongoing recovery news

[PANatsFan]

22 starts and 23 starts respectively

just 7 games not started by Shields-Garza-Price-Niemann-Davis, and four of those are Hellickson, who's got a 2.05 ERA

in 2009, they also used just 7 starters, and 6 guys accounted for 156 starts
in 2008, 5 pitchers covered 153 of 162 starts

compare that to the Nats

13 starters this year, only one with more than 20 starts is Livo
12 starters in 2009, only one over 20 was Lannan
11 starters in 2008

How many losing seasons with a low payroll did it get to stockpile all those pitchers

[Dave B]

Oddly enough, I feel like this injury actually forces the Nats into a spending spree.

At this point, if you even want fans... you have to re-sign Dunn, and pick up a big name pitcher, don't you?

yeah spending 15 mil for a guy and getting nothing from him for a couple years would encourage me to spend 15 mil on another guy...

this team doesnt need fans, they get enough of other teams' to make a profit

[NeedaNewNick]

The Rays dumped Kazmir because of his constant injuries, but feel free to ignore that.  And ignore Wade Davis having shoulder problems.  And Jeff Niemann getting hurt fairly often.

and you can go ahead ignore that they use far fewer starters every year, and you can also ignore that Davis and Niemann have been healthy all year, and if it makes you feel better, ignore that they win a lot more games than the Nats do

[PatsNats28]

there goes 2011

[JMUalumni]

Depending on who you talk to, you will be told the failure to return rate for ML pitchers that undergo TJ surgery is anywhere from 5% - 15%.  Those are pretty good odds of recovery, especially when you consider the majority of the ones that don't make it back fail to do so because of a lack of effort or dedication to the recovery and rehab process involved.  Judging by Strasburg's personality and motivation to return, it seems even more unlikely that SS will be part of that small percentage that fail.

The news sucks, but they are building a good stable of young pitchers in the minors.  Unfortunately none of them come close to the level of Strasburg.

[Lintyfresh85]

DL time is service time. It's not the player's fault. If it is, you can end the contract.

Ben says its not.

masnBen    Correct. He'll be on 60-day DL RT @Sultan_of_Stat: Just trying to find a positive here...Stras doesn't get service time on the DL correct?

[Lintyfresh85]

there goes 2011

I was never expecting much from 2011, anyways.

[houston-nat]

Depending on who you talk to, you will be told the failure to return rate for ML pitchers that undergo TJ surgery is anywhere from 5% - 15%.  Those are pretty good odds of recovery, especially when you consider the majority of the ones that don't make it back fail to do so because of a lack of effort or dedication to the recovery and rehab process involved.  Judging by Strasburg's personality and motivation to return, it seems even more unlikely that SS will be part of that small percentage that fail.

The news sucks, but they are building a good stable of young pitchers in the minors.  Unfortunately none of them come close to the level of Strasburg.

There are only 5ish guys in baseball at the level of Strasburg...

Anyway, let's hope he has a Tim Hudson style recovery from this and comes back just as amazing but slightly more durable.

[Lintyfresh85]

There are only 5ish guys in baseball at the level of Strasburg...

Anyway, let's hope he has a Tim Hudson style recovery from this and comes back just as amazing but slightly more durable.

Heck, I'd enjoy a Chris Carpenter level return, as well!

[Potomac Cannons]

Oddly enough, I feel like this injury actually forces the Nats into a spending spree.

At this point, if you even want fans... you have to re-sign Dunn, and pick up a big name pitcher, don't you?

I think this greatly decreases any chance of going for a SP.  You now re-sign Livo and go into ST next March with Livo, Znn, Detwiler, Maya, Marquis, Olsen, and probably Solis being given legit looks for the rotation.  Dunn would be more likely to walk now with money spent on solidifying the OF with runs at Crawford and Werth and a good enough 1B who fields well while Morse gets some work there instead of RF.

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Much as I like your uncharacteristically positive outlook here, there is no such thing as "routine" surgery on connective tissues when one is a professional athlete.  Recovery is likely but far but certain.  But anyways, it is what it is, and as you said, Livo appears to be quite amenable to chugging along for another thousand innings or so. 

There's no disaster people.  It's just TJ surgery.  How many times will it take for people to understand this is done by nearly every team whenever someone has minor elbow damage to strengthen the arm?  How long until people get that this is something done strategically to sacrifice 12 months of short term success for long term health?  It's common surgery and absolutely nothing to fret about.  The "good" news here is this virtually guarantees the team giving Livo two more years and we walk out of spring training next year with a Znn/Detwiler/Livo/Marquis/Maya rotation with guys like Milone and hopefully Meyers getting their innings at AAA ready to step up.  Then Stras shows up in September and 2012 is set.

[natsfan4evr]

Ben says its not.

Ben is wrong. It's been posted what the rules are. Time on the DL while on the 25 man roster counts toward service time.

[Potomac Cannons]

there goes 2011

It was the year of trying to get to .500.  This doesn't drop those chances nearly as much as most think.

[Dave B]

how does tj surgery affect guys who throw as hard as strasburg? there is probably a pretty small sample size.

strasburg will probably come back and be a very good pitcher, but will we get the same guy we saw in his debut ever again?

[NeedaNewNick]

How many losing seasons with a low payroll did it get to stockpile all those pitchers

Hellickson was a 4th round pick

their remarkable bullpen is all late picks and guys thrown on the trash heap by other teams

they clearly have a process in place to win down there which includes keeping battered arms in the minors, and getting great performances out of cheap veterans, whereas here we have Phil Wood and Stan getting defensive about the weekly disasters that define Nats baseball

[Lintyfresh85]

Ben is wrong. It's been posted what the rules are. Time on the DL while on the 25 man roster counts toward service time.

You get taken off the roster completely while on the 60 day-DL.

You're not even on the 40 man.

[PANatsFan]

Ben says its not.

http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

Page 94 - Ben is human like you and me.

[NeedaNewNick]

You now re-sign Livo and go into ST next March with Livo, Znn, Detwiler, Maya, Marquis, Olsen, and probably Solis being given legit looks for the rotation.

Maya needs to get a few more Myrtle Beach Pelicans out before we pencil him in for a start against the Phillies.

[PANatsFan]

I think this greatly decreases any chance of going for a SP.  You now re-sign Livo and go into ST next March with Livo, Znn, Detwiler, Maya, Marquis, Olsen, and probably Solis being given legit looks for the rotation.  Dunn would be more likely to walk now with money spent on solidifying the OF with runs at Crawford and Werth and a good enough 1B who fields well while Morse gets some work there instead of RF.

I absolutely love the drafting of Solis right now. Rizzo

[Lintyfresh85]

http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

Page 94 - Ben is human like you and me.

How can you get service time if you're not even on the 40 man roster though!

[Lintyfresh85]

Maya needs to get a few more Myrtle Beach Pelicans out before we pencil him in for a start against the Phillies.

He was pitching with a blister that was said to be covering his whole finger. That can't be ignored.

[natsfan4evr]

You get taken off the roster completely while on the 60 day-DL.

You're not even on the 40 man.

Not true at all, he's still on the 25 man roster, just the restricted list. Once he finishes his rehab assignment, he automatically comes back to the 25 man roster. If the team still wishes for him to stay in the minors (Jordan Zimmermann) they must option him there.

[Lintyfresh85]

Not true at all, he's still on the 25 man roster, just the restricted list. Once he finishes his rehab assignment, he automatically comes back to the 25 man roster. If the team still wishes for him to stay in the minors (Jordan Zimmermann) they must option him there.

IF they put him on the 60 day DL, which they will after the surgery, he is not on the roster!!! YOU ARE REMOVED FROM THE 40 MAN ROSTER WHILE ON THE 60 DAY DL! He gets taken off until he is ready to return, and thus, his clock will start again!

[PANatsFan]

IF they put him on the 60 day DL, which they will after the surgery, he is not on the roster!!! He gets taken off until he is ready to return, and thus, his clock will start again!

Read p 94 sir. Read it good.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/washington-nationals_01.html

JZ had 168 days of service last year even with TJ.

[PANatsFan]

PS wishing, hoping, and posting in red makes you right.