Author Topic: MLB & Division Watching (2010) (Read 122533 times)

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1550 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:01:44 pm »

Go out on your shield, so to speak.

Chipper was quite the talent. Say what you will about his off the field behavior... but he's easily in the Top 3 switch hitters ever to play the game.

blue911 · « **Reply #1551 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:33:13 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 12, 2010, 01:01:44 pm

Go out on your shield, so to speak.

Chipper was quite the talent. Say what you will about his off the field behavior... but he's easily in the Top 3 switch hitters ever to play the game.

Mickey Mantle, Eddie Murray, Pete Rose. No Chipper.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1552 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:36:04 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on August 12, 2010, 01:33:13 pm

Mickey Mantle, Eddie Murray, Pete Rose. No Chipper.

The case can be made he was better than Murray.

ronnynat · « **Reply #1553 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:43:01 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on August 12, 2010, 01:36:04 pm

The case can be made he was better than Murray.

And Rose

spidernat · « **Reply #1554 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:46:26 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on August 12, 2010, 01:33:13 pm

Mickey Mantle, Eddie Murray, Pete Rose. No Chipper.

blue beat me to it. As good as Jones has been there is no way I would rank him ahead of those three.

ronnynat · « **Reply #1555 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:49:24 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on August 12, 2010, 01:46:26 pm

blue beat me to it. As good as Jones has been there is no way I would rank him ahead of those three.

I'd actually put Chipper at #2, behind Mantle.

blue911 · « **Reply #1556 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:53:10 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on August 12, 2010, 01:36:04 pm

The case can be made he was better than Murray.

Sure but Jones stopped suiting up full time after the 2004 season. Part of being an "All Time Great" is suiting up everyday. If Mantle didn't put up insane numbers during a pro-pitching era, I'd say the same about him.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1557 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:58:10 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on August 12, 2010, 01:53:10 pm

Sure but Jones stopped suiting up full time after the 2004 season. Part of being an "All Time Great" is suiting up everyday. If Mantle didn't put up insane numbers during a pro-pitching era, I'd say the same about him.

Before getting hurt this year he'd played in 130+ games every year but 3 and only one of them he was at 128. He would have been close to that again this year. That doesn't move him out of that class IMO.

blue911 · « **Reply #1558 on:** August 12, 2010, 01:59:52 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on August 12, 2010, 01:58:10 pm

Before getting hurt this year he'd played in 130+ games every year but 3 and only one of them he was at 128. He would have been close to that again this year. That doesn't move him out of that class IMO.

That's cool. I think most of us have different opinions as to what criteria should be used for establishing "Elite" status.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1559 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:00:26 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on August 12, 2010, 01:53:10 pm

Sure but Jones stopped suiting up full time after the 2004 season. Part of being an "All Time Great" is suiting up everyday. If Mantle didn't put up insane numbers during a pro-pitching era, I'd say the same about him.

Murray spent 3.5 years of his career as a DH. That's hardly suiting up everyday.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1560 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:03:54 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on August 12, 2010, 01:59:52 pm

That's cool. I think most of us have different opinions as to what criteria should be used for establishing "Elite" status.

Which is why we never see unanimous HOF votes...

blue911 · « **Reply #1561 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:09:46 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 12, 2010, 02:00:26 pm

Murray spent 3.5 years of his career as a DH. That's hardly suiting up everyday.

I would say that playing in over 3,000 games during a 21 year career speaks louder then the fact that Weaver used him as a DH as a rookie and he didn't go back until he was 38.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1562 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:11:18 pm »

77, 88, 94, 95, 96 and 1997 Murray spent over 40 games at DH.

I'm sure Jones could have prolonged his career/had better stats if he could take 40 games off a year, as well.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1563 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:18:13 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 12, 2010, 02:11:18 pm

77, 88, 94, 95, 96 and 1997 Murray spent over 40 games at DH.

I'm sure Jones could have prolonged his career/had better stats if he could take 40 games off a year, as well.

Well, he did take off about 35 games a year the last 7 years of his career or so...

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1564 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:24:43 pm »

Right. Now imagine if he replaced those off days with DH'ing.

Think how much more stats he would have been able to put up while resting his body.

I don't want to take away anything from Murray, he was a hell of a player... but from a pure stats perspective, he had the chance to put up more stats because of the DH. An option, Jones never had.

blue911 · « **Reply #1565 on:** August 12, 2010, 02:36:02 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 12, 2010, 02:24:43 pm

Right. Now imagine if he replaced those off days with DH'ing.

Think how much more stats he would have been able to put up while resting his body.

I don't want to take away anything from Murray, he was a hell of a player... but from a pure stats perspective, he had the chance to put up more stats because of the DH. An option, Jones never had.

Jones worships Satan and kicks puppies. Anybody that anything nice to say about Chipper likes to kick puppies also.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1566 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:10:49 pm »

Jose Bautista... easily my best waiver wire pickup, ever!

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1567 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:21:37 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on August 12, 2010, 03:10:49 pm

Jose Bautista... easily my best waiver wire pickup, ever!

He's probably up there for me too. I'm sniffing first place in my league without him.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1568 on:** August 12, 2010, 03:59:23 pm »

I was never a Chipper Jones fan - in fact really can't stand him - but when I think about the Braves I think about him, Bobby Cox and that excellent pitching they had in the 90s.

UMDNats · « **Reply #1569 on:** August 12, 2010, 04:36:13 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on August 12, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

I was never a Chipper Jones fan - in fact really can't stand him - but when I think about the Braves I think about him, Bobby Cox and that excellent pitching they had in the 90s.

Stan? Is that you?

houston-nat · « **Reply #1570 on:** August 12, 2010, 11:04:43 pm »

Chipper wasn't the only career-ender this week. Ben Sheets had Tommy John surgery and he's worried he will never play again.

soxfan59 · « **Reply #1571 on:** August 12, 2010, 11:33:54 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on August 12, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

I was never a Chipper Jones fan - in fact really can't stand him - but when I think about the Braves I think about him, Bobby Cox and that excellent pitching they had in the 90s.

When I think about the Braves, I think of Henry Aaron and Warren Spahn.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #1572 on:** August 12, 2010, 11:36:25 pm »

I think of the FSU War Chant.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1573 on:** August 14, 2010, 02:10:40 am »

I'm officially a Texas Rangers fan through the end of the postseason.

PC · « **Reply #1574 on:** August 14, 2010, 04:03:21 pm »

What the hell are the Orioles doing being shown nationally? When we were on our way to the worst record in baseball (either time), we couldn't sniff a nationally televised game!