Author Topic: Discuss the Ownership (Read 4993 times)

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:50:29 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:47:06 pm

You haven't heard me say it. They're cheap and It's beyond pathetic. They have a payroll that is less then the previous 2 years and that is unacceptable.

QFT. I agree with some of what Hondo said too. This is embarrassing. Unless Rizzo pulls a rabbit out of his hat in the next few weeks this off-season was a disappointment. We needed another starter and a 2B-man at the minimum.

Hondo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:50:31 pm »

My point is that if we're going to spend money on Pudge, let's sign Bedard instead. Pudge is a bad attempt to get a name on the field. Now let's just help we can spell it correctly.

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:45:09 pm

Pudge is a pitcher now!!111!!!! Let's reorganize the board structure !!!11!!1

This is sportsfanian. No one knows what irons Rizzo has in the fire. He almost got a young starter through trade, and now I think he'll get Uggla. He can send Bonifacio type players to the fish for a couple years of Uggla and I'd be happy, plus it'll make NatsAddict apoplectic.

I swear, some people will only be happy if Rizzo time travels back to 2005 and hires 100 scouts.

They can only affect the future, not the past.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:51:49 pm »

The payroll is very low. Please stop defending it/them. Why do we have to be a BS franchise like Pittsburgh and Kansas City? You have to spend money to make money.

We deserve better than this.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:51:55 pm »

Quote from: Hondo on February 04, 2010, 02:50:31 pm

My point is that if we're going to spend money on Pudge, let's sign Bedard instead. Pudge is a bad attempt to get a name on the field. Now let's just help we can spell it correctly.

Now starting for your Washington Nationals, Wil Nieeeeves. Yeah, that sounds good :~

UMDNats · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:52:42 pm »

Quote from: Hondo on February 04, 2010, 02:50:31 pm

My point is that if we're going to spend money on Pudge, let's sign Bedard instead. Pudge is a bad attempt to get a name on the field. Now let's just help we can spell it correctly.

How do you know we didn't offer more money to Bedard, but he didn't wanna play for us?

This isn't a videogame, where you can just hit A and sign a player.

The Chief · « **Reply #30 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:52:44 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:47:06 pm

You haven't heard me say it. They're cheap and It's beyond pathetic. They have a payroll that is less then the previous 2 years and that is unacceptable.

Payroll isn't finalized yet.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #31 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:52:59 pm »

This is lunacy. They had more than reasonable offers out to most of the appealing free agents, and they signed some of them. Tom was right, they should trade for A-Rod

CoachKlein · « **Reply #32 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:54:33 pm »

Um who do they have going to arbitration? No one of significance. The payroll is less then it was last year and again it's unacceptable. Its hard to support a team that isn't interested in putting a good product on the field. Hell Lerner as publicly stated he's concernedabout paying off the debt of the team. They're cheap end of story.

I had season ticket for 4 years gave them up, still went to 10-15 games, but theirs a growing number like me. I'm a die hard fan, but this crap gets depressing, old, and could have been avoided.

CoachKlein · « **Reply #33 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:55:37 pm »

Quote from: Dunnkey on February 04, 2010, 02:52:44 pm

Payroll isn't finalized yet.

Now your being smart.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:56:06 pm »

I am getting kind of confused here. I am not a math expert but we got rid of Kearns, Villone, and Dmitri kept everyone else and added Marquis, Pudge, Capps, Walker, and Bruney, and gave raises to Willingham and other arbitration eligible players and the payroll went down.

If all of the above is true then Rizzo might be the best GM in the history of GMs.

JMW IV · « **Reply #35 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:56:30 pm »

Quote from: Hondo on February 04, 2010, 02:47:32 pm

Did you really type "GTFOWTBS"?

yes.

and I meant it.

and I'll type it again. GTFOHWTBS.

the Nats have had a pretty good offseason so far. and all the whiners like you are largely silent. they miss the mark once, and all of a sudden you find your voice, whining about things that happened 5 years ago, because we didn't sign a single player 5 years later, as if he is the only available player at his position and there is absolutely no other way to acquire an upgrade at the position.

again, GTFOHWTBS.

and to be honest, if you'd been around all offseason lodging your complaints, I wouldn't be giving you crap about it.

but its obvious that you have absolutely nothing to say when Rizzo does something positive, and you only want to speak when something bad happens.

the rest of the normal LAC crew around here have been relatively level-headed about things thus far. you are giving the LAC crowd a bad name.

Hondo · « **Reply #36 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:57:55 pm »

Yeah because Pudge was the only free agent catcher...

He jumped on Pudge, meanwhile we sit on our hands for everyone else. Pudge was amove to try and bring a name in.

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:51:55 pm

Now starting for your Washington Nationals, Wil Nieeeeves. Yeah, that sounds good :~

PANatsFan · « **Reply #37 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:58:43 pm »

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100119&content_id=7937924&c_id=was&vkey=news_was

Damn why can't people use Google?

Bruney and Burnett, only 2 of the most important pitchers, haven't signed. Have your figures that you haven't stated taken these contracts into account? How about the 10's of millions wasted on Kearns and company? Or SS's extra arbitration year that he will get with an early May callup?

Did you guys sit around thinking, "Unless they sign Hudson, I'm gonna post some angry rants on WNFF! I won't do anything until then, but God help me if they do."

I'm gonna go yell at clouds, it's more satisfying and they have a better chance of listening.

ronnynat · « **Reply #38 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:58:44 pm »

Quote from: Hondo on February 04, 2010, 02:50:31 pm

My point is that if we're going to spend money on Pudge, let's sign Bedard instead. Pudge is a bad attempt to get a name on the field. Now let's just help we can spell it correctly.

Unless he gets injured or absolutely fails this season, Bedard is going to make A LOT more money than Pudge.

CoachKlein · « **Reply #39 on:** February 04, 2010, 02:59:54 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on February 04, 2010, 02:52:42 pm

How do you know we didn't offer more money to Bedard, but he didn't wanna play for us?

This isn't a videogame, where you can just hit A and sign a player.

For the record I don't want Bedard. Quite truthfully, I have no Problem with the pitchers they have, add in Stras and J zimm next year and they're fine. The problem I have is they had a chance to sign a guy who's good in the club house and though declining a bit he has 4 gold gloves. He makes those pitchers better. They'll then come out with some crap @$$ press release touting how they finished second in the bidding again. It's crap

JMW IV · « **Reply #40 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:00:59 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:58:43 pm

Did you guys sit around thinking, "Unless they sign Hudson, I'm gonna post some angry rants on WNFF! I won't do anything until then, but God help me if they do."

this is exactly what they did. and its pathetic.

at least Hammonds and co., for all the crap they get from me, are consistent and don't disappear when good things start happening.

blue911 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:02:26 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:54:33 pm

Um who do they have going to arbitration? No one of significance. The payroll is less then it was last year and again it's unacceptable. Its hard to support a team that isn't interested in putting a good product on the field. Hell Lerner as publicly stated he's concernedabout paying off the debt of the team. They're cheap end of story.

I had season ticket for 4 years gave them up, still went to 10-15 games, but theirs a growing number like me. I'm a die hard fan, but this crap gets depressing, old, and could have been avoided.

Would you feel better if they paid Dmitri another $5M not to play? Or Austin Kearns $8M to take AB's away from Josh Willingham?

ronnynat · « **Reply #42 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:02:34 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:59:54 pm

For the record I don't want Bedard. Quite truthfully, I have no Problem with the pitchers they have, add in Stras and J zimm next year and they're fine. The problem I have is they had a chance to sign a guy who's good in the club house and though declining a bit he has 4 gold gloves. He makes those pitchers better. They'll then come out with some crap @$$ press release touting how they finished second in the bidding again. It's crap

Hudson is a below average defensive player. He would not have been a huge upgrade.

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:58:43 pm

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100119&content_id=7937924&c_id=was&vkey=news_was

Damn why can't people use Google?

Bruney and Burnett, only 2 of the most important pitchers, haven't signed. Have your figures that you haven't stated taken these contracts into account? How about the 10's of millions wasted on Kearns and company? Or SS's extra arbitration year that he will get with an early May callup?

And Morgan is worth a hell of a lot more than he's being paid this year. Same with Zimmerman.

JMW IV · « **Reply #43 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:04:00 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:59:54 pm

For the record I don't want Bedard. Quite truthfully, I have no Problem with the pitchers they have, add in Stras and J zimm next year and they're fine. The problem I have is they had a chance to sign a guy who's good in the club house and though declining a bit he has 4 gold gloves. He makes those pitchers better. They'll then come out with some crap @$$ press release touting how they finished second in the bidding again. It's crap

just wanna say, the crap I'm talking now, is not really aimed at you. you're pretty level-headed in your opinion, and are willing to give kudos when they are due.

I'm disappointed we didn't get Hudson. absolutely.

but I'm not going to be stark raving mad unless we go into ST with Gonzalez at the top of the 2B depth chart. there is still time, and there are still other 2nd Basemen to be had. and they were ALL waiting for Hudson to make up his mind.

I'm thinking we sign Kennedy within the next few days, or make a trade.

I also think that we had the clear high bid for Hudson, but it wasn't enough for him.

CoachKlein · « **Reply #44 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:04:51 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:58:43 pm

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100119&content_id=7937924&c_id=was&vkey=news_was

Damn why can't people use Google?

Bruney and Burnett, only 2 of the most important pitchers, haven't signed. Have your figures that you haven't stated taken these contracts into account? How about the 10's of millions wasted on Kearns and company? Or SS's extra arbitration year that he will get with an early May callup?

Did you guys sit around thinking, "Unless they sign Hudson, I'm gonna post some angry rants on WNFF! I won't do anything until then, but God help me if they do."

I'm gonna go yell at clouds, it's more satisfying and they have a better chance of listening.

Bruney and Burnett. You're serious. They're relievers. Their arb figures are what 5/6 million combined. I haven't thrown any number anywhere. I stated they're payroll is lower which is a fact. Even if both those 2 win arb it will still be lower. when you lose 100 games 2 years in a row its unacceptable. For you to say otherwise is laughable. I defended this team for far to long. Have spent far to much time and money supporting them to expect less then at least some effort to throw us a bone.

Hondo · « **Reply #45 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:05:42 pm »

I guess I'm guilty of buying into the BS that the Nats put out there. I like the Capps signing and I think the pen will be improved, but come on. The Lerners are cheap and as Spring Training nears and our options are running out it gets frustrating.

Quote from: PANatsFan on February 04, 2010, 02:58:43 pm

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100119&content_id=7937924&c_id=was&vkey=news_was

Damn why can't people use Google?

Bruney and Burnett, only 2 of the most important pitchers, haven't signed. Have your figures that you haven't stated taken these contracts into account? How about the 10's of millions wasted on Kearns and company? Or SS's extra arbitration year that he will get with an early May callup?

Did you guys sit around thinking, "Unless they sign Hudson, I'm gonna post some angry rants on WNFF! I won't do anything until then, but God help me if they do."

I'm gonna go yell at clouds, it's more satisfying and they have a better chance of listening.

CoachKlein · « **Reply #46 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:06:15 pm »

Are you the old Usher Jmad? Its Johnnymop, How goes it?

JMW IV · « **Reply #47 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:08:08 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 03:06:15 pm

Are you the old Usher Jmad? Its Johnnymop, How goes it?

yep. that's me. a few years older, a few(ish) pounds heavier.

CoachKlein · « **Reply #48 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:08:17 pm »

I like everything they've done with the Pen, I like the Marquis signing. My cheapness session is a general frustration with the organization as a whole

The Chief · « **Reply #49 on:** February 04, 2010, 03:09:34 pm »

Quote from: CoachKlein on February 04, 2010, 02:55:37 pm

Now your being smart.

If by smart you mean intelligent, then thank you. I know.

I don't even need to explain it, everyone else already has - there is a lot of room for the payroll to expand between now and opening day even if no one else new is brought in, and even if it remained the same, we'd be making much better use of the money, so if you're hinging your whole argument on a decline in payroll, you'd better start looking for a new talking point.

I understand your frustration but what else would you have had them do this offseason?