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Anyone who doesn't recognize this signing improves our team's pitching is nuts. There are lots of below league average innings on this team to replace...200 at league average is definitely an improvement.
Your semantics distinctions are becoming LAC like.
WINS IS A LAME STAT. TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER.Do I need to be clearer?
It will also depend on who he pitches against. We now have Halladay inthe division, we still have Josh Johnson and I don't think he's as good as either Lowe or Vazquez.Marquis is the type of pitcher you acquire to compliment your pitching staff, not lead it.
What exactly am I confusing with semantics here. You stated "clearly" that wins are a lame stat and that they don't matter.I think wins matter. The point of playing games is to win them. It matters not how you get there as long you do so.Anyway, all I was trying to do is point out the flaw in sf's claim that Marquis is a "winner."
Wow. You couldn't be more wrong on any level. WE DON'T HAVE STARTING PITCHING THAT IS EVEN LEAGUE AVERAGE RIGHT NOW!We got a guy who will give us 200+ IP. He will be average which is a big improvement over a ton of what we had last year. We are now making the young guys beat out proven MLB starters to get innings and starts. That is a good thing.Who he's matched up against is mostly irrelevant. Marquis is here to do exactly what he always does. Garrett Mock beat Dan Haren at one of the games I attended last year. Go out and pitch your game and let things fall where they may. I can't believe anyone with a functioning human brain would think adding a legit SP is a bad move for this franchise.
In fact, Marquis felt he was a mentor to Rockies hurlers Jorge De La Rosa and Ubaldo Jimenez."Learning from those veterans, learning how to win and recognizing situations, I felt I brought that to the table in Colorado and I really helped ... De La Rosa and Jimenez, who were trying to get over that hump," said Marquis. "I feel I could bring that [kind of leadership] to a team." "I want to play for a team that is headed in the right direction and making the moves that is necessary to get themselves back to being a winning organization," Marquis said. "Some of the moves the Nationals have made -- like [signing Stephen Strasburg] signing Pudge [Ivan Rodriguez] and getting [reliever Brian Bruney] -- they are making the necessary steps."I feel I can fit right in and bring a winning attitude to the team. Every where I've been, I've won. I feel it's not a coincidence. I want to help a team get over the hump."
I wonder if Potomac Cannons is another incarnation of some previous poster...
The SFQ (sportsfan win quotient) is not important either. The groundball ratio, innings pitched, DL time spent, that stuff matters.
Counting the wins a single pitcher "earned" in a given season is silly. Team wins matter. But if the guy pitchers 30 8 inning shutouts, and the team scores 1 run in the 9th every time, that's valuable.
Knock off the personal attacks, please.
Seriously, tom? freak HIM. He's been stirring up serious crap since coming here.
He's a winner by every definition. Individual winning record and great record of team success.
I know the stat of wins is a stupid stat to measure a pitcher by. I understand that. Marquis is also not the type of pitcher who gives you 8 innings of shutout baseball (very few of those out there) but since you pointed it out, for the record he's only averaging approx. 6.0 innings/outing since being converted to a starter full time.
His profile seems to indicate no.
I was not referring only to you. Potomac Cannons' condescending attitude and baiting is wearing quite thin on more than you.
I like Potomac Cannons. He's got spunk, and when he's in level-headed mode I agree with him mosta the time.
I disagree. He's been on winning teams but left off of playoff rosters. If those teams really thought he was the winner you think he is, why did he get excluded fromthe playoffs?
