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Offline hammondsnats

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Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Topic Start: September 29, 2009, 03:48:14 PM »
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Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
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New York Mets | 67-90 (4th place in NL East)
LF Angel Pagan           (.298 AVG, 6 HR, 31 RBI, 13 SB)
2B Luis Castillo           (.311 AVG, 12 2B, 39 RBI, 20 SB)
3B David Wright          (.305 AVG, 10 HR, 69 RBI, 72 BB)
CF Carlos Beltran        (.330 AVG, 10 HR, 46 RBI, 22 2B)
1B Daniel Murphy        (.264 AVG, 11 HR, 61 RBI, 37 2B)
RF Jeff Francoeur       (.277 AVG, 14 HR, 74 RBI, 31 2B)
C Brian Schneider       (.217 AVG, 3 HR, 24 RBI)
SS Wilson Valdez       (.266 AVG)

SP Mike Pelfrey (10-12)

Washington Nationals | 53-103 (5th place in NL East)
CF Willie Harris            (.233 AVG, 7 HR, 27 RBI, 11 SB)
RF Elijah Dukes           (.251 AVG, 8 HR, 57 RBI, 20 2B)
3B Ryan Zimmerman    (.287 AVG, 32 HR, 102 RBI, 33 2B)
1B Adam Dunn            (.272 AVG, 38 HR, 103 RBI, 112 BB)
LF Mike Morse            (.306 AVG, 3 HR, 10 RBI)
2B Pete Orr               (.268 AVG, HR, 9 RBI)
SS Ian Desmond         (.291 AVG, HR, 6 RBI, 5 2B)
C Wil Nieves              (.258 AVG, HR, 26 RBI)

SP J.D. Martin (5-4)


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Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #1: September 29, 2009, 03:50:02 PM »
Wil makes his triumphant return to the starting lineup :clap:
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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #2: September 29, 2009, 03:53:10 PM »
huh, interesting lineup. 
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Offline Galah

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #3: September 29, 2009, 03:54:28 PM »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 29, 2009, 03:53:10 PM
huh, interesting lineup. 

They're all interesting this time of the year.

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Offline madj55

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #4: September 29, 2009, 03:55:22 PM »
Hopefully this move helps Dukes out, he blows at the plate lately.
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Offline UMDNats

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #5: September 29, 2009, 04:04:02 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 29, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
Wil makes his triumphant return to the starting lineup :clap:

/facepalm
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Offline The Chief

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #6: September 29, 2009, 04:31:29 PM »
Quote from: UMDNats on September 29, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
/facepalm

+1

In other news, all of the mythical (though factual in SF's mind) Wright jockstrap sniffers have repented.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #7: September 29, 2009, 04:32:32 PM »
You know your team blows when people get excited about Wil Nieves being in the starting lineup.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #8: September 29, 2009, 04:32:57 PM »
Quote from: madj55 on September 29, 2009, 03:55:22 PM
Hopefully this move helps Dukes out, he blows at the plate lately.

Won't it be a mirage, as he'll see more fastballs at the top of the lineup?
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #9: September 29, 2009, 04:36:20 PM »
Quote from: PANatsFan on September 29, 2009, 04:32:57 PM
Won't it be a mirage, as he'll see more fastballs at the top of the lineup?

Why would he see more fastballs?
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #10: September 29, 2009, 04:37:40 PM »
Quote from: blue911 on September 29, 2009, 04:36:20 PM
Why would he see more fastballs?

Doesn't "conventional wisdom" state that you throw more off-speed stuff to the middle/bottom of the order,and pitch to the guys at the top and the #8 guy?

Of course when a guy admits in an interview that he has no ability to hit curves, that probably trumps CW.
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #11: September 29, 2009, 04:40:44 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 29, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
Wil makes his triumphant return to the starting lineup :clap:

kill ... me ... now ...
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Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #12: September 29, 2009, 04:41:25 PM »
Quote from: blue911 on September 29, 2009, 04:32:32 PM
You know your team blows when people get excited about Wil Nieves being in the starting lineup.
speaks to how god awful Josh Bard is. worst player ever
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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #13: September 29, 2009, 04:43:02 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 29, 2009, 04:41:25 PM
speaks to how god awful Josh Bard is. worst player ever

that or nieves is part of your kliq and that's all you care about. 
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Offline The Chief

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #14: September 29, 2009, 04:45:20 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 29, 2009, 04:41:25 PM
speaks to how god awful Josh Bard is. worst player ever

I hear solid crap smells better than runny crap.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #15: September 29, 2009, 04:46:53 PM »
Quote from: PANatsFan on September 29, 2009, 04:37:40 PM
Doesn't "conventional wisdom" state that you throw more off-speed stuff to the middle/bottom of the order,and pitch to the guys at the top and the #8 guy?

Of course when a guy admits in an interview that he has no ability to hit curves, that probably trumps CW.

Not really. I think with Pelfry you get more fastballs with runners on base because he doesn't throw his other pitches from the stretch very well.

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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #16: September 29, 2009, 04:51:36 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan882 on September 29, 2009, 04:41:25 PM
speaks to how god awful Josh Bard is. worst player ever
We've seen no less than 4 players on the team called that.  Not only do I not agree with that but it's also not possible.  Four players can not share the title of worst.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #17: September 29, 2009, 04:53:30 PM »
Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 29, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
We've seen no less than 4 players on the team called that.  Not only do I not agree with that but it's also not possible.  Four players can not share the title of worst.

Maybe Bard is the Worsterest.
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Offline Nathan

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #18: September 29, 2009, 05:01:38 PM »
Quote from: blue911 on September 29, 2009, 04:53:30 PM
Maybe Bard is the Worsterest.
doubleplusungood
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Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #19: September 29, 2009, 05:03:20 PM »
Quote from: hammondsnats on September 29, 2009, 04:43:02 PM
that or nieves is part of your kliq and that's all you care about. 
Quote from: The Chief on September 29, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
I hear solid crap smells better than runny crap.
Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 29, 2009, 04:51:36 PM
We've seen no less than 4 players on the team called that.  Not only do I not agree with that but it's also not possible.  Four players can not share the title of worst.
Bard is the worst. Worst player of this year.

.229 BA, .287 OBP, horrible ABs, terrible defense, no ability to run or move.
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Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #20: September 29, 2009, 05:11:19 PM »
Bard has had some pop when he needed it, never complained, played hurt because the team needed him, and the young pitchers love him and his advice. Didn't someone say that numbers don't tell the whole story?

Wil Nieves "resumes his place" as defacto starting catcher on a 100 loss team playing out the string and experimenting with a SS in RF. Yippee.
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Offline NatsDad14

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #21: September 29, 2009, 05:16:14 PM »
Why does SF only selectively use stats that support his agenda. Why not compare the whole statline between the 2 players.

Bard: .229/.287/.361/.648 OPS
Nieves: .258/.303/.300/.604 OPS

SF likes to mention that Zimmerman has 3X as many HR's as Wright, but did you know that Bard has 6X the amount of HR's that the great Wil Nieves has this season? Bard has 3X as many HR this season as Nieves has in his whole career.
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Offline blue911

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #22: September 29, 2009, 05:19:56 PM »
Quote from: GMUNat on September 29, 2009, 05:16:14 PM
Why does SF only selectively use stats that support his agenda. Why not compare the whole statline between the 2 players.

Because it's a fact in his mind.
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Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #23: September 29, 2009, 05:20:50 PM »
Quote from: PANatsFan on September 29, 2009, 05:11:19 PM
Bard has had some pop when he needed it, never complained, played hurt because the team needed him, and the young pitchers love him and his advice. Didn't someone say that numbers don't tell the whole story?

Wil Nieves "resumes his place" as defacto starting catcher on a 100 loss team playing out the string and experimenting with a SS in RF. Yippee.
the team would have been better with him going on the DL.

do you know the contract status on these two for next year? nieves arbitration eligible?
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Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Nationals vs Mets, Game 2
« Reply #24: September 29, 2009, 05:22:24 PM »
Quote from: GMUNat on September 29, 2009, 05:16:14 PM
Why does SF only selectively use stats that support his agenda. Why not compare the whole statline between the 2 players.

Bard: .229/.287/.361/.648 OPS
Nieves: .258/.303/.300/.604 OPS

SF likes to mention that Zimmerman has 3X as many HR's as Wright, but did you know that Bard has 6X the amount of HR's that the great Wil Nieves has this season? Bard has 3X as many HR this season as Nieves has in his whole career.
why does that matter? he has ran into a few HRs. who cares?

he cannot run, cannot throw, cannot stop balls, cannot hit, and so on.

Worst overall player of the year.

If he is even given a ST invite we will know that we are freaked for next year.
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