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Offline NatsAddict

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #450 on: August 02, 2009, 09:49:43 am »
For whatever dumbass reason, The Fred moved Uggla up to 5th so that with NJ in the lineup, he can strand even more runners (7 last night).  It only took 1 inning for Uggla to leave NJ on base by swinging and missing on a couple meatballs. The Fish fought back, but with jacka$$es like Uggla and Hermida in the lineup, worse yet, in the heart of the order, it will never work:

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Marmol created his own mess with a pair of walks (one intentional) and a hit batsman, and 14 of his first 17 pitches in the inning were thrown for balls, including the first two to Dan Uggla with the bases loaded.

But Uggla watched the next three pitches go by for strikes, and Marmol struck out Hermida on three pitches to end the inning.
Florida Marlins lose wild one to Chicago Cubs - Baseball - MiamiHerald.com

Well, at least Hermida took some cuts rather than standing there proctologising himself.

Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #451 on: August 02, 2009, 09:52:54 am »
For whatever dumbass reason, The Fred moved Uggla up to 5th so that with NJ in the lineup, he can strand even more runners (7 last night).  It only took 1 inning for Uggla to leave NJ on base by striking out.  The Fish fought back, but with jacka$$es like Uggla and Hermida in the lineup, worse yet, in the heart of the order, it will never work:
Florida Marlins lose wild one to Chicago Cubs - Baseball - MiamiHerald.com

I still can't take anything you say seriously :lol:. You want us to feel your suffering, but you really don't know suffering at all. Look where the Fish are and then look over there where the Nats are and you will see what I mean.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #452 on: August 02, 2009, 09:59:25 am »
we've finished ahead of the marlins once in 5 years :?

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #453 on: August 02, 2009, 10:10:38 am »
I still can't take anything you say seriously :lol:. You want us to feel your suffering, but you really don't know suffering at all. Look where the Fish are and then look over there where the Nats are and you will see what I mean.

Take away the series vs Nats, and the Fish are just above the Nats in the standings.  For the 4th straight year, they lead MLB in striking out and will for the 4th straight year strike out even more times than the year before.  At least the Nats hit the damned ball.  Due to the way the Marlins idiots strike out, there are rumors that when they change their name, it will be the Miami Breeze.   There is absolutely no progress as Jim Presley is the Randy St. Claire of hitting coaches.

However, not since McKeon thought he was cute, started sniping players in the press and doing other dumb sh*t stuff just to get his name in the paper, demolished the clubhouse, and single-handedly pissed away the 2004 and 2005 seasons have I seen a team under-perform as badly as the Nats have this year. 

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #454 on: August 02, 2009, 10:12:19 am »
Weird stats: The Marlins are 23-14 when Bonafacio bats second. They also score almost a half run more per game (4.79 vs 4.32).

Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #455 on: August 02, 2009, 10:15:52 am »
Take away the series vs Nats, and the Fish are just above the Nats in the standings.  For the 4th straight year, they lead MLB in striking out and will for the 4th straight year strike out even more times than the year before.  At least the Nats hit the damned ball.  Due to the way the Marlins idiots strike out, there are rumors that when they change their name, it will be the Miami Breeze.   There is absolutely no progress as Jim Presley is the Randy St. Claire of hitting coaches.

However, not since McKeon thought he was cute, started sniping players in the press and doing other dumb sh*t stuff just to get his name in the paper, demolished the clubhouse, and single-handedly pissed away the 2004 and 2005 seasons have I seen a team under-perform as badly as the Nats have this year. 

But we can't take away that series. That series really happened. It is reality and the reality of it is the Nationals suck. They aren't "under-performing" nor are they "better than what their record indicates." They suck. Exaggerate and give us as much fluff on the Marlins as you want, but it still stands they are second place in the division and the Nationals are in the cellar. Again.

I mean, come on. Are you telling me you get absolutely no pleasure in knowing that your team, the Fish, are second in the division, are within striking distance of a playoff spot (wild card or other), and every game they play matters? You get absolutely no joy from that?

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #456 on: August 02, 2009, 10:49:35 am »
Weird stats: The Marlins are 23-14 when Bonafacio bats second. They also score almost a half run more per game (4.79 vs 4.32).

Most of that is because when he batted 1st, Hermida batting 2nd.  Hermida couldn't get on base, either.  Once Coghlan move into the order hitting leadoff (and Bonifacio moved to #2), Hanley's RBI jumped by about a quarter of a run per game, but it had little to do with Bonifacio.  Also, at the same time, Uggla was moved down in the order to 6th and 7th to limit his epic fail opportunities.  In Uggla's last 13 chances with RISP, the only run he "drove in" was a 1st & 3rd no-out GIDP.  Of the 13 chances, 7 ended with a K.

For all the negative press, since June 2, Bonifacio is much more likely (.238) to advance runners than is Uggla (.130).  When Uggla does advance a runner, it is more likely to be a result of a GIDP, GO, FO (not sac fly), HBP or BB than as result of a hit.   Even counting the run scored on his GIDP, Uggla has plated 8 out of the last 146 men on (70/52/24) and only 6 of 24 men on 3rd (one of those on a GIDP), and Bonifacio has plated 13 of the last 104 (53/34/17), including 10 of the 17 men on 3rd.  Of the two, guess which bat I'd rather keep in the lineup?  With NJ at 1B, either Cantu should have gone to 2B, or Cantu to 3B and Bonifacio to 2B.  Keeping Uggla in there was blatantly stupid.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #457 on: August 02, 2009, 11:41:48 am »
I mean, come on. Are you telling me you get absolutely no pleasure in knowing that your team, the Fish, are second in the division, are within striking distance of a playoff spot (wild card or other), and every game they play matters? You get absolutely no joy from that?

Nope, never said that.  I'm loving most of the team, am thrilled about the post-season chances despite having guys like Uggla and Hermida on the team, and worse still, in the starting lineup.  I'd be a bit happier still if Beinfest acquired a 4th starter rather than carrying 13 pitchers.  However, the ever-more-frequent Ks, low OBP, high LOB and especially the play of Uggla and Hermida for 4 years now is getting tiresome. Neither of those two should have, under any circumstances, been with a major league club out of spring training, and Uggla shouldn't even be in baseball.  Uggla is unquestionably the worst player to ever wear a Marlins uniform, including Jorge Julio, and perhaps the most stupid guy to ever play in MLB.  If Uggla alone were even average at moving guys along, the Marlins wouldn't be in a wild card chase - they'd be running away with the division, and that p*sses me off.

In 2004 and 2005, McKeon's destroyed the Fish and brainfarted them out of the playoffs
In 2006, Loria made it known that he would allow nothing to assist the soon-to-be-fired Girardi and kept the Fish out of the playoffs.  They had some good young, healthy pitching.
In 2008, Fredi playing favorites with Hermida and Gregg, and putting together a batting order with Uggla hitting with men on kept the Fish out of the playoffs, though they wouldn't have gone far anyway even though The Fred did finally bench Hermida and Gregg.
This year, the Fish have a couple pitchers than can win short/extended series, Fredi is playing favorites again, Uggla and Hermida are still in the lineup where they get the most opps to leave guys on, and rarely fail to do so.

FWIW, there are rumors flying around down here that a Hermida to the Reds deal may go down soon.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #458 on: August 02, 2009, 11:43:22 am »
Most of that is because when he batted 1st, Hermida batting 2nd.  Hermida couldn't get on base, either.  Once Coghlan move into the order hitting leadoff (and Bonifacio moved to #2), Hanley's RBI jumped by about a quarter of a run per game, but it had little to do with Bonifacio.  Also, at the same time, Uggla was moved down in the order to 6th and 7th to limit his epic fail opportunities.  In Uggla's last 13 chances with RISP, the only run he "drove in" was a 1st & 3rd no-out GIDP.  Of the 13 chances, 7 ended with a K.

For all the negative press, since June 2, Bonifacio is much more likely (.238) to advance runners than is Uggla (.130).  When Uggla does advance a runner, it is more likely to be a result of a GIDP, GO, FO (not sac fly), HBP or BB than as result of a hit.   Even counting the run scored on his GIDP, Uggla has plated 8 out of the last 146 men on (70/52/24) and only 6 of 24 men on 3rd (one of those on a GIDP), and Bonifacio has plated 13 of the last 104 (53/34/17), including 10 of the 17 men on 3rd.  Of the two, guess which bat I'd rather keep in the lineup?  With NJ at 1B, either Cantu should have gone to 2B, or Cantu to 3B and Bonifacio to 2B.  Keeping Uggla in there was blatantly stupid.

I noticed that Hermida was part of the problem (7-12 and 4.26), what has struck me is Nick Johnson's run total is incredibly low.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #459 on: August 02, 2009, 12:35:14 pm »
I noticed that Hermida was part of the problem (7-12 and 4.26), what has struck me is Nick Johnson's run total is incredibly low.

Hopefully NJs run total should go up hitting infront of Hanley - he's #1 with RISP and men on.  Bonifacio has scored 48% of the times he's been on, and right now NJ is sitting on 25%.  While the Nats #1 and #2 hitters are scoring 37% and 27%, respectively (31% total) of their time on base [(R-HR)/(H+BB+HBP-HR-CS)*], the Marlins #1 and #2 hitters are scoring 40% and 41%, respectively (41% total) of their time on.  While NJ doesn't have Bonifacio's speed to score from 1B, but should get get driven in around 40% of the time the rest of the season.

While the Fish are much better at driving in guys in the #1 and #2 slots who are on base, the problem is that the #1 and #2 guys don't get on base.  While the Nats #1 and #2 guys have OBPs of .344 and .417, the Marlins #1 and #2 guys have OBPs of .316 and .315.

* Not 100% accurate; ignores reaching on error and includes PO attempting to stretch a 1B to 2B, a 2B into a 3B, etc., but should be pretty close.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #460 on: August 02, 2009, 05:04:28 pm »
Hopefully NJs run total should go up hitting infront of Hanley - he's #1 with RISP and men on.  Bonifacio has scored 48% of the times he's been on, and right now NJ is sitting on 25%.  While the Nats #1 and #2 hitters are scoring 37% and 27%, respectively (31% total) of their time on base [(R-HR)/(H+BB+HBP-HR-CS)*], the Marlins #1 and #2 hitters are scoring 40% and 41%, respectively (41% total) of their time on.  While NJ doesn't have Bonifacio's speed to score from 1B, but should get get driven in around 40% of the time the rest of the season.

While the Fish are much better at driving in guys in the #1 and #2 slots who are on base, the problem is that the #1 and #2 guys don't get on base.  While the Nats #1 and #2 guys have OBPs of .344 and .417, the Marlins #1 and #2 guys have OBPs of .316 and .315.

* Not 100% accurate; ignores reaching on error and includes PO attempting to stretch a 1B to 2B, a 2B into a 3B, etc., but should be pretty close.

I was using H,BB & HBP as my base numbers, but came up with similar numbers. What stands out with the Nats is the scoring frequency of other #2 hitters is pretty close to league average of 39%. But Nick had a majority of the at bats in the 2 hole, so there isn't enough data to draw anything of merit.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #461 on: August 02, 2009, 07:06:43 pm »
In an effort to further decrease his trade value (assuming he clears waivers - safe assumption), over the past couple days, Hermida has adopted an Andruw Jones style back knee drop and massive upper-cut.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #462 on: August 03, 2009, 12:06:21 am »
In an effort to further decrease his trade value (assuming he clears waivers - safe assumption), over the past couple days, Hermida has adopted an Andruw Jones style back knee drop and massive upper-cut.

But you know he dominates the Nats this week.

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« Reply #463 on: August 03, 2009, 09:34:19 am »
But you know he dominates the Nats this week.

He doesn't do it every swing, but watch him.  The back knee will almost hit the dirt, and the swing path is from about 4 inches off the ground to mid-chest through the hitting zone on most of them.

Nats key to the series - hit a lot of ground balls to Cantu.

Marlilns pitchers:  Johnson, VandenHurk, Volstad.  JJ hasn't had his "A-Game" his past few outings, but his "B-Game" is pretty good.  Volstad is giving up HR at a very alarming rate, and is pitching like a 4 or 5 at best.  VandenHurk just came up again for the first time this year.  The Fish would have been 3-0 in his starts, but Ayala came in and in a single inning walked 2, hit 1, and gave up 3 hits including a HR and gave it to the Braves. VandenHurk is pitching much better than when he left last year, though, again, only 3 starts.

Hanley should be back for the series after taking a Zambrano fastball to the thigh/knee Saturday.  He PH yesterday.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #464 on: August 04, 2009, 12:22:36 am »
Article from the Post:

Calculations Usually Right On
Financially Challenged Marlins Consistently Do More With Less to Remain Competitive

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 4, 2009



MIAMI -- There is perhaps no sadder sight in baseball than that of Your Name Here Stadium (apparently it is going by "Land Shark Stadium" these days) at just past 5 p.m. on another muggy, damp, sure-to-rain evening in the dead of summer in South Florida. The gates to the park have just opened, but the tarp is on the infield, there's no batting practice to watch, and the handful of Florida Marlins fans who trickled in early are standing around in a daze, sweating through their shirts, waiting for . . . something.

Though they may not even realize it, what they are waiting for is occurring a half-hour drive's south, where bulldozers and excavators churn over the land that once sat below the old Orange Bowl. What they are waiting for arrives in a little less than three years.

When the Marlins' new $634 million stadium is completed -- with its retractable roof and glorious air conditioning -- everything about the best dollar-for-dollar franchise in baseball will change dramatically. Unless, of course, it doesn't.

To play for, work for or root for the Marlins is to understand such paradoxes. It is a franchise that is both one of baseball's biggest successes -- with two World Series titles in its 17-year history and an ability to field contenders seemingly every year on minimal payrolls -- and one of its biggest eyesores, annually bringing up the rear in paid attendance and frequently trading away its top veterans for younger players to save money.

As the Marlins prepare to visit Nationals Park this week for a three-game series beginning Tuesday, it is again so. Though they entered the week at 55-50, just five games behind the Philadelphia Phillies in the NL East and three back in the wild card, they are last in the NL in attendance (18,110 average) and are fielding another overachieving roster of cheap, inexperienced youngsters and cheap, over-experienced scrap-heap pickups.

"I never look at payroll," said Marlins Manager Fredi González, repeating a sentiment Marlins managers have been saying for years. "I just look at baseball players. You never play the game with a payroll in your back pocket."

Well, David Samson certainly does. The Marlins' team president, Samson understands perhaps better than anyone that two sets of numbers -- stats and earning potential -- teeter perilously on each side of the equation when it comes time for the front office to evaluate each of its players.

In the past five years, the Marlins have traded an all-star team's worth of talent: Carlos Delgado, Mike Lowell, Josh Beckett, Miguel Cabrera, Dontrelle Willis, Luis Castillo, Brad Penny and Juan Pierre. In November, they sent two players eligible for arbitration -- outfielder Josh Willingham and lefty Scott Olsen -- to the Nationals for young infielder Emilio Bonifacio. Total savings from that deal: a little more than $5 million.

"Our payroll this year went from about 20-something [million] to about 40 [million]," Samson said. "If we had kept all 25 of the same guys, it would have gone from 20 to 70 [million]. The roster matured at the same time. So you have to make choices."

Their choices are usually spot-on, making the Marlins a model of efficiency. Based on opening day payroll figures, the Marlins (at $35.8 million) are shelling out about 42 percent less in payroll than the Nationals ($62 million), but have gotten 40 percent more wins this year. And when the teams made another trade last week, with the Nationals sending first baseman Nick Johnson to Florida for Class AA lefty Aaron Thompson, the Nationals picked up the remaining $1.8 million of Johnson's salary.

With the exception of 2005, when they signed Delgado as a free agent in an uncharacteristic spending spree, the Marlins have ranked in the bottom three of payrolls in every season since Samson's boss and stepfather, owner Jeffrey Loria, bought the team in 2002. It makes it all the more remarkable that the franchise is an aggregate seven games over .500 in that span.

"We haven't sacrificed wins," Samson said.

But those low payrolls have also acted as a safety net of sorts. Play competitive baseball for six months, make a brief run at contention, but fall just a handful of games short? No big deal -- no one could have expected anything more for so little cost.

Theoretically, that will all change at the new stadium. A better facility should mean better attendance. Samson thinks the team can go from a season-ticket base of around 5,000 now to 15,000 or more in 2012. Better attendance means higher revenues. Higher revenues mean higher payrolls. And higher payrolls mean higher expectations.

"With the guys we have in our front office," González said, "if you give them a little bit more [money] to work with, I think they're going to put a pretty good product on the field."

Despite their terrible attendance, the Marlins garner relatively decent television ratings, which according to Samson means, "We have a big fan base -- people just don't want to come to the games."

Still, not everyone believes the new stadium will launch a sudden turnaround. For one thing, the location -- further south, in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood -- is not ideal, largely cutting out fans to the north in Broward and Palm Beach counties. And when you can't expand your market east (the Atlantic Ocean) or west (the Everglades), any further geographic isolation could be deadly.

"Once they get a bellyful of downtown traffic, particularly during rush hour, fans . . . will quickly lose their enthusiasm for schlepping to weeknight games," wrote Carl Hiaasen, the Miami Herald's influential metro columnist. "The question isn't if the fans will go back to ignoring the Marlins after the ballpark is built. The question is how soon."

Even Samson acknowledges the franchise is showing faith in a marketplace that others gave up on long ago. The team's contribution to the stadium reportedly will be at least $154 million.

"We're investing a huge amount of money. It's a market that hasn't proven itself, but our belief is stronger than anybody else's," Samson said. "We've won the World Series. We've traded players. We've signed players. The one thing we haven't had is a ballpark to call our own. And that will make all the difference."


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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #465 on: August 05, 2009, 01:47:02 pm »
Someone has a Mr. Met voodoo doll

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/niese-leaves-game-in-second-with-injury/

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Another day, another injury for the Mets.

This time, it happened to Jon Niese, the Mets’ 22-year-old pitching prospect.

Niese was removed from the game in the second inning Wednesday, after he crumpled to the ground after a warm-up pitch.

On a ground ball hit by Joe Thurston, Niese went to cover first to try to get a double play. With Thurston racing down the line, Niese stretched as far as he could to try to meet the ball before Thurston touched the bag. Thurston was ruled safe as Niese practically did a split in his attempt to catch the throw from Angel Berroa.

Manager Jerry Manuel came out to see if Niese was O.K. He was not.

During the follow-through of one of his practice pitches, Niese’s plant leg, his right, gave out and Niese fell to the ground. He was assisted off the field by the Mets’ training staff. The team later announced he had sustained a strained right hamstring but said nothing about his prognosis.


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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #466 on: August 09, 2009, 11:45:04 pm »
Ed Rapuano ejected Victorino who was playing CF.

Rapuano is the biggest piece of crap in the league.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #467 on: August 10, 2009, 08:19:12 am »
Ed Rapuano ejected Victorino who was playing CF.

Rapuano is the biggest piece of crap in the league.

That was really strange.  Victorino was throwing up his arms an ranting about balls and strikes, and Rapuano came out and tossed him.  But Rollins though he was the one ejected, and started walking off the field. I didn't see Rollins do anything, so why he would think it was him and walk away so passively and without question was strange, too.   But Victorino knew he was the one, and wigged out.  I don't if he'll get a suspension or not - haven't heard.

Of course, the Philly Fans then later booed the singing of "God Bless America."

I play golf with Rapuano sometimes during the off season, and gotta ask him about this one (and also get him to autograph a picture of him tossing The Fred).  Weird.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #468 on: August 10, 2009, 12:33:47 pm »
He was terrible in a couple of the Nats game earlier this season.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #469 on: August 10, 2009, 02:18:45 pm »
Never seen someone ejected in CF before  :shock: Even if Rapuano wasn't happy about the questioning of his strike zone, you'd think he'd have better things to do than looking out in centerfield...like, you know, concentrating on what was going on at home plate.

Also, :rofl: at the booing of God Bless America. Can't say I'm surprised!

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #470 on: August 11, 2009, 09:49:23 am »
That was really strange.  Victorino was throwing up his arms an ranting about balls and strikes, and Rapuano came out and tossed him.  But Rollins though he was the one ejected, and started walking off the field. I didn't see Rollins do anything, so why he would think it was him and walk away so passively and without question was strange, too.   But Victorino knew he was the one, and wigged out.  I don't if he'll get a suspension or not - haven't heard.

Of course, the Philly Fans then later booed the singing of "God Bless America."

I play golf with Rapuano sometimes during the off season, and gotta ask him about this one (and also get him to autograph a picture of him tossing The Fred).  Weird.
You play golf with MLB umpires?  I'd rather bathe in acid. :spaz:

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #471 on: August 11, 2009, 11:03:17 am »
You play golf with MLB umpires?  I'd rather bathe in acid. :spaz:
They're humans, too, ya know.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #472 on: August 11, 2009, 11:18:21 pm »
Uggla with a walk-off RBI Single. The Marlins haven't lost since they got swept by the Nats.

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Re: Division-Watching (2009)
« Reply #473 on: August 12, 2009, 01:21:18 am »
They're humans, too, ya know.
Dan Uggla is a human too.  Doesn't mean he's not a moron.  Same goes for MLB umps.

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« Reply #474 on: August 12, 2009, 10:56:25 am »
Moyer says he feels "misled" by Phillies decision to put him in the bullpen:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AuAVWEdf4RJeNwIcddQ4fqsRvLYF?slug=ap-phillies-moyeroutburst&prov=ap&type=lgns

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CHICAGO (AP)—Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Jamie Moyer lashed out at team management Tuesday, saying he felt “misled” by the club and “disheartened” by its decision to demote him to the bullpen.

Moyer was dropped from the rotation to make room for Pedro Martinez, set to return to the majors when he starts Wednesday night against the Chicago Cubs.

Known for his steady demeanor, the 46-year-old Moyer chose an unusual way to make his statement: He sat in the stands behind the Phillies’ first-base dugout at Wrigley Field and addressed the media.

“I feel a little disheartened,” the 22-year veteran said. “I feel a little bit like I’ve been misled. I feel like I’ve played this game long enough that the respect factor should be there.”
 
Moyer leads the NL East-leading Phillies in wins and losses with a 10-9 record. His 5.47 ERA is among the highest in the majors.

Moyer went 16-7 last year and helped the Phillies win the World Series, then signed a $13 million, two-year contract in the offseason. He said that Philadelphia general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. assured him he would not be sent to the bullpen.

“Ultimately, I’m a little disheartened because I know this past winter, when I was negotiating with the Phillies, this was a sore thumb, if you will, about this potentially happening,” Moyer said. “You can’t promise anything in this game, but I really felt that Ruben kind of parlayed to me that this type of situation would not happen.”

Moyer was told Monday he would be going to the bullpen. The recently signed Martinez, a three-time Cy Young winner, will start in his place.

“When we signed Jamie Moyer in December it was under the pretense of being a starter,” Amaro said in a statement through a team spokesman. “But right now circumstances have changed and that’s why we’re moving him to the bullpen.”