Author Topic: Plan "B" (Read 131102 times)

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #2350 on:** January 20, 2009, 09:07:31 am »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 19, 2009, 07:15:59 pm

Agreed. That sounds fantastic. Get it Dunn.

Shouldn't that be "Git 'er Dunn?"

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #2351 on:** January 20, 2009, 09:08:36 am »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 19, 2009, 06:10:11 pm

nah, we should have offered 5years, 80m right from the start.

that's how teams who don't have cheap owners do it.

throw the whole bank at him, and do it early.

Wow, at 5MM per, I'd say go to five years. freak it. We paid Walnuts and Fat Johnny 5MM per. Dunn's way better than those two jokers.

R-Zim#11 · « **Reply #2352 on:** January 20, 2009, 11:52:30 am »

Quote from: Evolution33 on January 19, 2009, 10:59:57 pm

Dunn won't sign for that price until April and it would only be a one year deal. It looks like he is already taking a pay cut. I doubt he wants to take one that is that big though.

Dunn won't sign for less then $10mil/yr. Someone will give him that.

ronnynat · « **Reply #2353 on:** January 20, 2009, 02:10:25 pm »

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Prince Fielder Staying Put
from MLB Trade Rumors by Tim Dierkes

Adam Mertz of The Capital Times talked with Brewers GM Doug Melvin yesterday. Melvin was asked whether he would commit to Prince Fielder for the entire year, and the GM replied, "Yeah." Melvin said he never discussed a Fielder trade and hasn't received inquiries on his first baseman. Melvin doesn't seem too worried about settling Fielder's '09 salary with Scott Boras.

Mertz also learned that Melvin expects Ben Sheets to sign elsewhere, though the door remains open.

Not surprising.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #2354 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:07:46 am »

Licey defeats Las Gigantes 9-7 in 10 innings in a playoff meeting yesterday.

Anderson Hernandez went 3/5 with an RBI. He just keeps hitting. AH hit .365 in the DWL regular season (211 ABs) and is currently batting .337 in the playoffs.

Jesus Flores played catcher and went 1/4 with a Solo HR off of LHP Fabio Castro.

Belliard went 0/5 with an RBI.

Daniel Cabrera started the game for the Tigres and had a rough go of it: 2.2 IP 6 H 6 R 6 ER 2 BB 1 K 1 HR 2 Wild Pitches

eagleskins · « **Reply #2355 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:29:38 am »

All bums besides Flowers.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #2356 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:55:09 am »

If all else fails and we don't get another 2nd baseman -- I'd be ok with AH getting the nod -- he's been tearing up winter ball -- would love to see what he could do as an every day starter ...

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2357 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:56:49 am »

Quote from: wpa2629 on January 22, 2009, 01:55:09 am

If all else fails and we don't get another 2nd baseman -- I'd be ok with AH getting the nod -- he's been tearing up winter ball -- would love to see what he could do as an every day starter ...

If nothing else his defense would be nice.

tomterp · « **Reply #2358 on:** January 22, 2009, 09:58:13 am »

Quote from: wpa2629 on January 22, 2009, 01:55:09 am

If all else fails and we don't get another 2nd baseman -- I'd be ok with AH getting the nod -- he's been tearing up winter ball -- would love to see what he could do as an every day starter ...

I'm concerned that I read the Nats don't consider him the 2nd baseman of the future, given his performances since being acquired. It's as if he's awakened from his depression at being buried on the depth chart, and is making a huge effort to grab the opportunity. I'm not sure what the team doesn't see in him, since it appear to me he's worthy of the role.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #2359 on:** January 22, 2009, 12:56:50 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on January 22, 2009, 09:58:13 am

I'm concerned that I read the Nats don't consider him the 2nd baseman of the future, given his performances since being acquired. It's as if he's awakened from his depression at being buried on the depth chart, and is making a huge effort to grab the opportunity. I'm not sure what the team doesn't see in him, since it appear to me he's worthy of the role.

Maybe they're just leery of handing the full time reigns over to what has been an otherwise part time player, who is still very young - without a back up plan -- I don't think they would have kept him around up to this point if they don't intend to use him in some capacity ... maybe we'll get to see him full time and maybe he'll be a star -- I'd like to see it myself

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #2360 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:34:27 pm »

Quote from: wpa2629 on January 22, 2009, 12:56:50 pm

Maybe they're just leery of handing the full time reigns over to what has been an otherwise part time player, who is still very young

I don't think that's quite it. Otherwise would we have:

Lannan
Dukes
Milledge
Flores

hammondsnats · « **Reply #2361 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:41:05 pm »

just copy/pasting from Boz chat ... also says zim and the nats are making progress in a long-term deal. i likey. oh and get dunn.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/01/21/DI2009012102275.html

A Lug of Our Own: Boz - assuming that Dunn eventually blinks in the ongoing staring contest over the length and value of his contract, what is a reasonable price for him? That is, what is a 40-homer, 100-walk, no-glove guy worth to a team like the Nats, who happen to be in desperate need of the one dimension Dunn can reliably provide? 3 years, $30 million, roughly Bradley-esque (figuring that Bradley's unreliability roughly balances out Dunn's defense), or do the Nats have to pay a premium?

Tom Boswell: Let's get going. A lot to talk about, especially Nats and free agents. By the end of next week, when we chat next, most if not all of the serious free agents in whom theNats have an interest will probably be signed. NOW is the moment to act __if you are going to.

Will the Nats? I'm very concerned that, despite the seriousness of their Teixeira Chase, that they won't. Dunn is the key.

My best guess is tha the Nats can get him for three years for $36-million. For $37.5-million for three, I can't imagine that they couldn't get him.

They should do t. No "ifs" or "buts."

When you lose 102 games, you have to overpay for your first big free agent. aying $12M X 3 for Dunn is just fine. Gota be done. I understand that the Nats are not closae to that figure yet.

Dunn and Zmmerman are good friends. That may help.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #2362 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:41:15 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on January 22, 2009, 09:58:13 am

I'm concerned that I read the Nats don't consider him the 2nd baseman of the future, given his performances since being acquired. It's as if he's awakened from his depression at being buried on the depth chart, and is making a huge effort to grab the opportunity. I'm not sure what the team doesn't see in him, since it appear to me he's worthy of the role.

I'm sick of this. Trash is trash, regardless of opportunities. You rarely see a player do such a crappy job in the minors at age 25 that he did with the Mets and end up being worth a damn. The guy has two and a half hot months and everyone's all over his jock.

I think the guy maybe found something last year, and perhaps he is more motivated now, but there are two problems with that. For one, do we want a player who actually needs to feel "wanted" for him to actually play well? We've had guys like that here before, and that didn't work out so well. (see: Lopez, Felipe) Even more importantly, what happens in the very probable event that he goes back to sucking? We're going to keep him at 2B or use Belliard? That's not a very encouraging scenario.

Hudson is a known quantity. He's a solid defender and gets on base a good deal. We'd finally have a true lead-off hitter here if we got him.

blue911 · « **Reply #2363 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:43:32 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 22, 2009, 01:41:15 pm

I'm sick of this. Trash is trash, regardless of opportunities. You rarely see a player do such a crappy job in the minors at age 25 that he did with the Mets and end up being worth a damn. The guy has two and a half hot months and everyone's all over his jock.

I think the guy maybe found something last year, and perhaps he is more motivated now, but there are two problems with that. For one, do we want a player who actually needs to feel "wanted" for him to actually play well? We've had guys like that here before, and that didn't work out so well. (see: Lopez, Felipe) Even more importantly, what happens in the very probable event that he goes back to sucking? We're going to keep him at 2B or use Belliard? That's not a very encouraging scenario.

Hudson is a known quantity. He's a solid defender and gets on base a good deal. We'd finally have a true lead-off hitter here if we got him.

Based on the entire 22 games he's been a leadoff hitter?

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #2364 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:44:35 pm »

Based on his OBP and stealing abilities. I highly doubt you'd see an appreciable decrease in his on-base abilities just because he's moved up to that slot.

wpa2629 · « **Reply #2365 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:47:58 pm »

Hudson may not be an option -- need to remember that

blue911 · « **Reply #2366 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:48:10 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 22, 2009, 01:44:35 pm

Based on his OBP and stealing abilities. I highly doubt you'd see an appreciable decrease in his on-base abilities just because he's moved up to that slot.

So he isn't a true leadoff hitter. You just think he could be successful in that role?

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #2367 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:48:11 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 22, 2009, 01:44:35 pm

Based on his OBP and stealing abilities. I highly doubt you'd see an appreciable decrease in his on-base abilities just because he's moved up to that slot.

But you said "known quantity." Hudson never hits leadoff so how is that a "known quantity?" Everyone seems to think Soriano makes a good middle of the order candidate with all his power yet he continually hits leadoff since that's where he excels.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #2368 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:49:38 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 22, 2009, 01:41:05 pm

just copy/pasting from Boz chat ... also says zim and the nats are making progress in a long-term deal. i likey. oh and get dunn.

Nice.

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I'm hearing that the Nats and Zim are making reasonable progess on working out a long-term deal. Price range? Think the recent Youilis and Markakis contracts, according to sources. Relations on both sides are good. But they need to get this done.

blue911 · « **Reply #2369 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:53:35 pm »

BTW Orlando Hudson has less steals than Adam Dunn so I question his base stealing ability.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2370 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:55:29 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on January 22, 2009, 01:53:35 pm

BTW Orlando Hudson has less steals than Adam Dunn so I question his base stealing ability.

But Dunn is slow and old.

I just question whether or not at this point in his career, Hudson's defense is what it used to be or if he is living off reputation a la Jeter

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #2371 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:55:42 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on January 22, 2009, 01:53:35 pm

BTW Orlando Hudson has less steals than Adam Dunn so I question his base stealing ability.

That just means Adam Dunn has another terrific trait in Base stealing!!!!

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #2372 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:58:59 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 22, 2009, 01:48:11 pm

But you said "known quantity." Hudson never hits leadoff so how is that a "known quantity?" Everyone seems to think Soriano makes a good middle of the order candidate with all his power yet he continually hits leadoff since that's where he excels.

Well I think he's a known quantity in terms of his abilities. I think way too much is made of a guy's place in a batting order. Soriano is a pretty rare exception; I haven't seen too many guys with that kind of power who can only find their stroke in that one spot.

Hudson would have Guzman and one of Dukes/Zimmerman/FA hitting right behind him. I don't see why that would do anything but benefit his on-base abilities.

I think I had an inflated memory of Hudson's '07 season when I referred to his base-stealing abilities. 10 steals isn't much anyway, but he was at least a useful/smart base-stealer (10 SB's vs. only 2 CS).

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #2373 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:00:01 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 22, 2009, 01:55:29 pm

But Dunn is slow and old.

I just question whether or not at this point in his career, Hudson's defense is what it used to be or if he is living off reputation a la Jeter

I don't think it's that great any more - a lot of SABR stats show it being mediocre - but I don't think he's going to break your back, either.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2374 on:** January 22, 2009, 02:04:46 pm »

Quote from: ACTAvation Energy on January 22, 2009, 02:00:01 pm

I don't think it's that great any more - a lot of SABR stats show it being mediocre - but I don't think he's going to break your back, either.

But we have AH who could be an upgrade defensively. Hudson doesn't seem like a guy worth going for over his bat to me.