Author Topic: Plan "B" (Read 137033 times)

MrMadison · « **Reply #1575 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:07:08 pm »

I'm failing to understand how signing Dunn to a 3/30 or a 2/20 type deal cripples this team so horribly. you guys are acting like we want to give Dunn 10 years, 200m.

but whatever. if you guys are confident that we're fine with the practically the same offense we had last season + Willingham, I'm willing to roll with it.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #1576 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:08:21 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:07:08 pm

I'm failing to understand how signing Dunn to a 3/30 or a 2/20 type deal cripples this team so horribly.

but whatever. if you guys are confident that we're fine with the same offense we had last season, I'm willing to roll with it.

I could almost live with 2 years but anything beyond that would be a mistake.

spidernat · « **Reply #1577 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:09:51 pm »

I believe, barring injury (I freaking hate saying that), we should be improved offensively as currently configured. But that's no reason not to address a position of need when you have a shot at it. That's actually even more reason to add another power bat to make an even bigger leap. That may really improve our situation next offseason, providing the Lerners really want to spend money. Also, who's to say that we have to give Dunn a 4 year deal like some of the Dunn opponents are suggesting? We may be able to land him for a two year deal and even if we gave him 2/24, like JMad said, that shouldn't cripple this team at all.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1578 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:12:54 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:01:55 pm

fine. do nothing. make no further attempts to get the middle of the order bat that we need.

go with the first basemen we have. Johnson, Young, Casto.

Tell me where I said we shouldn't try to acquire a middle-of-the-order bat. I'll wait................................... ................you can't find it can you? All I said was that Dunn wasn't the answer.

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:01:55 pm

I don't wanna hear any nagging about the first base play from you two for the entire season.

O.K.

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:01:55 pm

let's just pray that Johnson can stay healthy for once in his life, and that Dukes and Milledge and Zimmerman don't light the entire world on fire. that's what you wanna do, then fine. but if they don't, no nagging about that either.

I've been saying to trade NJ and or Milledge/Dukes if you think you get get value for it. Acquiring Adam Dunn for four years and lots of dough is going to hamper us a lot more than if we can get something for Johnson and Milledge or Dukes. Plus, we always have Willingham to play 1B and he's a better 1B than Dunn is. Again, I'm not opposed to improving the team. I just don't think Adam Dunn improves the team as much as most of you guys here thinks he does.

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:01:55 pm

and I don't wanna hear any Cheap Lerners or "the Lerners aren't willing to improve the team" nagging from you two.

I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever made either of those claims. I don't believe the Lerners are Cheap and I think they will do what they can to improve this team once they learn how baseball ownership works. They're still getting their feet wet.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1579 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:13:12 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on January 06, 2009, 10:09:51 pm

I believe, barring injury (I freaking hate saying that), we should be improved offensively as currently configured. But that's no reason not to address a position of need when you have a shot at it. That's actually even more reason to add another power bat to make an even bigger leap. That may really improve our situation next offseason, providing the Lerners really want to spend money. Also, who's to say that we have to give Dunn a 4 year deal like some of the Dunn opponents are suggesting? We may be able to land him for a two year deal and even if we gave him 2/24, like JMad said, that shouldn't cripple this team at all.

that's what I'm saying. but these two are convinced without a shadow of a doubt that doing nothing to fill our biggest offensive need is a suitable course of action.

so I say go with it. should be less nagging in the gameday threads.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1580 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:14:54 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 06, 2009, 10:12:54 pm

Tell me where I said we shouldn't try to acquire a middle-of-the-order bat. I'll wait................................... ................you can't find it can you? All I said was that Dunn wasn't the answer.

you said we should wait until next year just a few posts ago. hence, doing nothing.

if Dunn isn't the answer, then what is?

what middle of the order bat should we get *this year* that is a better "answer" than Dunn?

hammondsnats · « **Reply #1581 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:15:36 pm »

wait for the lerners to get their feet wet? what are they prospects too god knows that's all this organization loves to talk about

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1582 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:17:10 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:07:08 pm

I'm failing to understand how signing Dunn to a 3/30 or a 2/20 type deal cripples this team so horribly. you guys are acting like we want to give Dunn 10 years, 200m.

but whatever. if you guys are confident that we're fine with the practically the same offense we had last season + Willingham, I'm willing to roll with it.

Ahem: I reiterate:

Re: Plan "B"
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I will qualify that, though, with the idea of liking the potential deal outlined from the blog hammondsnats posted where he might be had for a two year deal. I could live with that.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1583 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:17:17 pm »

and just for the sake of discussion...

*any* player we sign has a risk of coming in here and sucking. any of them.

and any player we sign NEXT offseason has a risk of coming in here and sucking. including Holliday.

every player we draft has a risk of coming in here and sucking.

every player that puts on a Nationals Uniform has a risk of coming in here and sucking.

so the "if Dunn comes here and sucks" line of reasoning isn't quite as solid. because you can replace Dunns name with any player we'd sign or trade for.

ronnynat · « **Reply #1584 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:17:36 pm »

Man, I wish we had just waited to sign Wolf and left Cabrera for another team to pick up.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1585 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:18:16 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:14:54 pm

you said we should wait until next year just a few posts ago. hence, doing nothing.

if Dunn isn't the answer, then what is?

what middle of the order bat should we get *this year* that is a better "answer" than Dunn?

Did you read.....all of......my post.........or just.....the part...........you quoted?

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1586 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:19:15 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:17:17 pm

and just for the sake of discussion...

*any* player we sign has a risk of coming in here and sucking. any of them.

and any player we sign NEXT offseason has a risk of coming in here and sucking. including Holliday.

Did you ever watch Dunn play? Against anyone other than the Nats? Or are you just looking at his HRs and BBs?

spidernat · « **Reply #1587 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:19:57 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 06, 2009, 10:15:36 pm

wait for the lerners to get their feet wet? what are they prospects too god knows that's all this organization loves to talk about

Yeah this is only their 3rd offseason.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1588 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:20:00 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 06, 2009, 10:18:16 pm

Did you read.....all of......my post.........or just.....the part...........you quoted?

yes.....I.....read......the........whol e...................................... ....................................... ..thing.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1589 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:21:03 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:20:00 pm

yes.....I.....read......the........whole...............................................................................thing.

Including this part:

"I've been saying to trade NJ and or Milledge/Dukes if you think you get get value for it. Acquiring Adam Dunn for four years and lots of dough is going to hamper us a lot more than if we can get something for Johnson and Milledge or Dukes. Plus, we always have Willingham to play 1B and he's a better 1B than Dunn is. Again, I'm not opposed to improving the team. I just don't think Adam Dunn improves the team as much as most of you guys here thinks he does."

Because if you had, why would ask the question?

MrMadison · « **Reply #1590 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:21:42 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 06, 2009, 10:19:15 pm

Did you ever watch Dunn play? Against anyone other than the Nats? Or are you just looking at his HRs and BBs?

and yes, I've watched Dunn play. against teams other than the Nats. thanks for asking.

he's big and slow. yes, i know this.

now answer my question.

Dunn sucks, horrible player, terrible person we don't want him. that's fine.

do we address our need for a left-handed power hitter, and how?

who are we going to realistically trade Milledge or NJ for that fits the bill? fantasy trade time.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1591 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:23:14 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 06, 2009, 10:21:03 pm

Including this part:

"I've been saying to trade NJ and or Milledge/Dukes if you think you get get value for it. Acquiring Adam Dunn for four years and lots of dough is going to hamper us a lot more than if we can get something for Johnson and Milledge or Dukes. Plus, we always have Willingham to play 1B and he's a better 1B than Dunn is. Again, I'm not opposed to improving the team. I just don't think Adam Dunn improves the team as much as most of you guys here thinks he does."

Because if you had, why would ask the question?

because nothing in that paragraph answers the question I asked.

The Answer is Not Dunn. then WHO?

ronnynat · « **Reply #1592 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:23:42 pm »

If you guys knew that NJ would last the entire '09 season, would you still want to go after a first baseman? Just wondering.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #1593 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:24:00 pm »

Quote from: MrMadison on January 06, 2009, 10:21:42 pm

and yes, I've watched Dunn play. against teams other than the Nats. thanks for asking.

he's big and slow. yes, i know this.

now answer my question.

Dunn sucks, horrible player, terrible person we don't want him. that's fine.

do we address our need for a left-handed power hitter, and how?

Why does it have to be a lefty? Why can't it be Ramirez? Because he's not left-handed?

Why not offer a trade with NJ, a pitching prospect and Milledge or Dukes? Why can't we package those together and come up with a better player than Dunn?

MrMadison · « **Reply #1594 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:24:07 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 06, 2009, 10:23:42 pm

If you guys knew right now that NJ would last the entire '09 season, would you still want to go after a first baseman? Just wondering.

no.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1595 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:25:09 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 06, 2009, 10:24:00 pm

Why does it have to be a lefty? Why can't it be Ramirez? Because he's not left-handed?

no, I'm fine with Manny. but he's not going to sign here and you know it.

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Why not offer a trade with NJ, a pitching prospect and Milledge or Dukes? Why can't we package those together and come up with a better player than Dunn?

WHO?

NJ, Milledge, and a pitching prospect....for WHO?

WHO?

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #1596 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:25:39 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 06, 2009, 10:23:42 pm

If you guys knew that NJ would last the entire '09 season, would you still want to go after a first baseman? Just wondering.

I wouldn't, but I'd sooner bet on...well, this team winning the World Series than that happening.

natsfan4evr · « **Reply #1597 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:25:48 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 06, 2009, 10:23:42 pm

If you guys knew that NJ would last the entire '09 season, would you still want to go after a first baseman? Just wondering.

Of course not. What kind of dumb question is that?
Nick will be great for 2 weeks and then get injured. If we had someone in the minors I'd feel safe with giving him a fair shot, but we'll be stuck with no one.

BerkeleyNat · « **Reply #1598 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:26:42 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 06, 2009, 10:23:42 pm

If you guys knew that NJ would last the entire '09 season, would you still want to go after a first baseman? Just wondering.

No, but what are the chances of him making it a whole season? I say trade him.

MrMadison · « **Reply #1599 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:28:29 pm »

ok...so now we are fantasy trading.

ok.

Nick Johnson, Milledge(or Dukes) and a pitching Prospect(Zimmermann or Detwiler).

who is REALISTICALLY going to give us a YOUNG, prime time power hitting first baseman that is a better power hitter than Adam Dunn for this package, *this* offseason(read: before spring training).

that's the criteria and the question.

ready....go.