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MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1525 on: January 06, 2009, 07:51:03 pm »
He's lazy, not a good baseball player. There's no coincidence that he's never been on a good team before. He was part of the problem in Cincy and they finally realized that and then dealt him for all they could get (not much).

People on here haven't seen the light but I have and so have most teams in MLB. Cincy got rid of him as soon as they could and then he went to Arizona who didn't even offer him arbitration and showed no effort to re-sign him. There have been very few teams that have had reported interest in Dunn in the off-season. The Blue Jays GM came out and spoke his mind last year and he was dead on. People don't just make up mean things to say for the hell of it. It's the truth.


oh so you don't like him because the GM of the Blue Jays said so while trying to defend himself when a fan suggested that the Blue Jays acquire Dunn.  Ricciardi spouted a whole bunch of crap because some random fan called him out on live radio.  and that's your reasoning behind not liking Dunn.  ok.

in other words, just generically overrated, with no *real* reason behind it.

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While in a heated argument on the radio with a frustrated fan, Toronto Blue Jays general manager lashed out at Cincinnati outfielder Adam Dunn. The caller said that the Blue Jays should consider trading for Dunn, which set Ricciardi off.

Said Ricciardi: “Do you know the guy doesn’t really like baseball that much? Do you know the guy doesn’t have a passion to play the game that much? How much do you know about the player? There’s a reason why you’re attracted to some players and there’s a reason why you’re not attracted to some players. I don’t think you’d be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn here.”

Dunn was obviously not too happy when told about the remarks.

Said Dunn: “I know nothing about this clown. I have no idea who he is. I don’t really care what one guy thinks, to be honest with you. If I’m a GM, I don’t know if I would go out of my way to kind of discredit a player. It pisses me off to be honest with you. He doesn’t even know me. If he knew me, fine, say what you want. This guy doesn’t know anything about me other than what he sees on whatever SportsCenter they have up there. That’s it.”

Eventually, Ricciardi apologized for his remarks.

“I apologize to him. I have to be better than that,” said Ricciardi. “Unfortunately, you get caught in the heat of the moment. I don’t even know Adam Dunn.”


The right way for this saga to end would be the Blue Jays trading for Dunn and Dunn before a Canadian hero. We’ll see if Ricciardi makes the right move.

http://www.knucklecurve.com/jp-ricciardi-apologizes-to-adam-dunn/

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     J.P. then said "He's a lifetime .230, .240 hitter that strikes out a ton and hits home runs."

    "Yes, he hits home runs, which none of the Toronto Blue Jays are doing," the caller replied.

http://www.walkoffwalk.com/2008/06/jp-ricciardi-adam-dunn-is-the.html

Offline BerkeleyNat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1526 on: January 06, 2009, 07:52:24 pm »

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1527 on: January 06, 2009, 07:53:25 pm »
oh so you don't like him because the GM of the Blue Jays said so while trying to defend himself when a fan questioned him about why he didn't acquire Dunn. ok.

in other words, just generically overrated, with no *real* reason behind it.


The apology is meaningless. He just had to do that to try and save face.

If he didn't mean what he was saying he would have never said it in the first place. It's probably something he shouldn't have said to the public as a GM but he did and it is what it is.

MrMadison

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1528 on: January 06, 2009, 07:54:37 pm »
The apology is meaningless. He just had to do that to try and save face.

If he didn't mean what he was saying he would have never said it in the first place. It's probably something he shouldn't have said to the public as a GM but he did and it is what it is.

and that is what you are basing your opinion of Adam Dunn on? that lone statement? 

instead of basing it on his performance on the field?

ok.

well, at least I know where you stand. really no point in arguing with you about this if it has nothing to do with his performance on the field, or any potential misbehavior off of it.

you think Adam Dunn is overrated because JP Ricciardi said he doesn't like baseball. ok, cool. glad we got to the bottom of that.

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1529 on: January 06, 2009, 07:55:57 pm »
and that is what you are basing your opinion of Adam Dunn on? that lone statement? 

instead of basing it on his performance on the field?

ok.
Nope. That just further proved my point. It's based on him as an entire baseball player. His stats are overblown and I've said it 100 times.

Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1530 on: January 06, 2009, 07:57:16 pm »
Nope. That just further proved my point. It's based on him as an entire baseball player. His stats are overblown and I've said it 100 times.
Are you related to Nick Johnson?

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1531 on: January 06, 2009, 08:00:08 pm »
Are you related to Nick Johnson?
Nope. I can't wait until NJ is gone and out of the picture. He's screwed us more than enough times.

It's obvious we need an upgrade at 1B but just because Dunn is the best available doesn't mean we should pounce on him. He is overvalued because there's nothing else out there.


I'm to the point like Minty was a while ago where I'd just assume that we sign him already to shut everyone up. I just hope it's no more than 2 years. :|

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1532 on: January 06, 2009, 08:02:51 pm »
Nope. I can't wait until NJ is gone and out of the picture. He's screwed us more than enough times.

It's obvious we need an upgrade at 1B but just because Dunn is the best available doesn't mean we should pounce on him. He is overvalued because there's nothing else out there.


I'm to the point like Minty was a while ago where I'd just assume that we sign him already to shut everyone up. I just hope it's no more than 2 years. :|

We need something as fans. Don't you agree?
We've been way too patient. We need some excitement.

Dunn might not be the best option, but he is the only viable one.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1533 on: January 06, 2009, 08:13:38 pm »
Adam Dunn is a waste of time.  We don't have any more time to waste.

Adam Dunn is not the answer we seek.

Just say no.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1534 on: January 06, 2009, 08:15:53 pm »
Adam Dunn is a waste of time.  We don't have any more time to waste.

Adam Dunn is not the answer we seek.

Just say no.
What's the answer then?
Play another year of pathetic ball?


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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1535 on: January 06, 2009, 08:20:36 pm »
There's no coincidence that he's never been on a good team before.


Walter Johnson and Ernie Banks played the majority of their careers on losing teams.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1536 on: January 06, 2009, 08:21:03 pm »
so we got PA, Actavation, and natsfan4evr vs Minty and Sportsfan.

ha. 

*grabs popcorn*

Offline xposbrad

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1537 on: January 06, 2009, 08:22:05 pm »
Next year has a much better crop of FA's, and like someone else said here, you don't just sign someone for the sake of signing someone. I mean, even though we're fans, we're not blind to see even with Dunn we are not winning the world series. Also, even with Dunn this year, we're still MOST PROBABLY not going to be .500. Since money does NOT have to be spent just for the SAKE of spending, what would the point be in having him here this year?? We could easily sign a replacement bat next year, with someone who is not destined to be a DH in a couple of years. I'd like to see our team win, but quite frankly, in the long run, signing Dunn leaves us less room to sign better/complete FA's next year who would actually contribute to this team winning. If we were an AL team, on the verge of winning, I'd be looking at Dunn just for his HRs. In our situation, we're signing him because we failed to land Teix and we need a consolation prize to make the fans happy. Now someone else said, sign Dunn and trade him in 2-3 years for prospects. Well at this trade deadline, there wasn't much interest in him, and Arizona really didn't give up too many prospects for him, and you can only imagine his value will decrease when he's really not even able to field in a couple of years and his Ks increase, his vision deteriorates leading to less walks, and his power decreases. Now, that's all on the premise we'd be over paying for his services. If we get him for 10.5m or less a year, then I'd say go and sign him, but to overpay, sorry, that puts this team in a far worse position in the upcoming years. If he wants more than 11m, you sign Abreu for 2 years, and then go look at FAs then.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1538 on: January 06, 2009, 08:26:35 pm »
So people insist that we can't land top FA's because we're a losing franchise. They also say we won't be able to sign any good players until we start to win. However, these same people oppose signing a player that should help us win more games this year and say we should wait until next year (likely after another losing season) to sign FA's.   :panic:

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« Reply #1539 on: January 06, 2009, 08:29:29 pm »
There's no coincidence that he's never been on a good team before. 

It's not his fault that the Reds were a bad team while he was there. His numbers with the Reds were solid. From 2004 through he 2007 he hit 40 or more HR's each year with a hundred or more RBI's each year. He hit 32 dingers last season with the Reds before going to Arizona. I think bad pitching hurt the Reds more than anything.

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« Reply #1540 on: January 06, 2009, 08:30:33 pm »

Walter Johnson and Ernie Banks played the majority of their careers on losing teams.

I'm sure in their cases it was just a coincidence. Not with Dunn though.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1541 on: January 06, 2009, 08:33:13 pm »
so we got PA, Actavation, and natsfan4evr vs Minty and Sportsfan.

ha. 

*grabs popcorn*
Not getting into an argument.  The anti-Dunn sentiment is unfounded (he's a terrible defensive 1B!!!111 - right, he's played a handful of games there in his career so how can we even know?) and not worth dignifying, and this dead horse has been beaten enough.

Besides, nothing we say is going to sway the FO.  It's all up to Bowden and Kasten.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1542 on: January 06, 2009, 08:33:31 pm »
So people insist that we can't land top FA's because we're a losing franchise. They also say we won't be able to sign any good players until we start to win. However, these same people oppose signing a player that should help us win more games this year and say we should wait until next year (likely after another losing season) to sign FA's.   :panic:
There's no guarantee that Dunn will help us win more games this year.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1543 on: January 06, 2009, 08:38:52 pm »
There's no guarantee that Dunn will help us win more games this year.

Are there any guarantees in baseball with any player? I guess we can say that there is no guarantee that he won't help us win more games either.

I'm sure in their cases it was just a coincidence. Not with Dunn though.

:rofl:  This is too funny. I don't know how this happened but it has gotten to the point where you have come to despise Dunn.   :lol:

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #1544 on: January 06, 2009, 08:39:02 pm »
Sportsfan, I don't think you're an idiot, but your bias and logic in this debate sure are idiotic.

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« Reply #1545 on: January 06, 2009, 08:39:06 pm »
There's no guarantee that Dunn will help us win more games this year.

He'll help us win more games than Kory Casto or Ronnie Belliard. I'm not even gonna mention NJ because I don't even know if he'll be ready for opening day.

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« Reply #1546 on: January 06, 2009, 08:40:21 pm »
I'm not even gonna mention NJ because I don't even know if he'll be ready for opening day.

I believe they said both he and Hill should be ready for Opening Day. Of course I believe TRJPWH said the same thing year after year after year.  :?

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« Reply #1547 on: January 06, 2009, 08:40:30 pm »
Sportsfan, I don't think you're an idiot, but your bias and logic in this debate sure are idiotic.
Fine. Bring him here and then his play on the field will do all the talking.

I don't see how I am biased. I'm not related to NJ and I don't hate Dunn. I just think he's a bad player and I'm not alone if you venture outside of this forum. Reds fans hated him. GMs see him for what he is and are not interested in him. How can you explain no one being interested in Dunn this off-season?

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« Reply #1548 on: January 06, 2009, 08:42:51 pm »
Fine. Bring him here and then his play on the field will do all the talking.

Sounds like sportsfan is finally coming around to the right side of the force.   :icon_mrgreen:



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« Reply #1549 on: January 06, 2009, 08:44:29 pm »
Reds fans hated him. GMs see him for what he is and are not interested in him. How can you explain no one being interested in Dunn this off-season?

I don't see how you can even begin to back up those outlandish claims/generalizations.