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Offline raleighnat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #225 on: December 24, 2008, 02:28:16 pm »
What about Sheets?  Expensive short-term contract lets our pitchers develop.  I know there's a huge injury risk, but we'd at least have the potential of an ace.  Penny would be a cheap, short contract guy with great upside.  We've got plenty of 3-5 starters; we need a guy that can win.  I just want some semblance of a roster that if we get some breaks we could be pretty good next year.  I like Dunn and Hudson too.  Hudson fills a lead off need and Dunn gives us a power bat.  If Johnson (somehow) could stay healthy, we could have something. 

I know I'm reaching, but I just don't think I can survive another year of the Nats being completely irrelevant.  (This is a long-time "Plan" supporter talking here - so you know I'm getting desparate!)

Offline PatsNats28

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #226 on: December 24, 2008, 02:37:09 pm »
I'm thinking we should try this:

Dunn @ 3 years, 45M with club option for 17M
Lowe @ 2 years, 22M

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #227 on: December 24, 2008, 02:44:34 pm »
Church is maxed out and a fourth OF at best and heading to 5th OF status.




You've made yourself a target for making this statement.    :rofl:

 

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #228 on: December 24, 2008, 02:46:18 pm »
Church is maxed out and a fourth OF at best and heading to 5th OF status.


oh snap, son......


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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #229 on: December 24, 2008, 02:47:16 pm »
Church is better than Kearns and WMP that's for damn sure.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #230 on: December 24, 2008, 02:47:47 pm »
Church is better than Kearns and WMP that's for damn sure.

well, that's not really saying much.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #231 on: December 24, 2008, 02:48:27 pm »
Here's a couple thoughts I've had.  If we're going to move an OF to 1B, go after Bobby Abreu.  He's got similar numbers to Dunn and in about double the games in his career he has almost exactly the same number of errors.  Don't know if he'd be willing to make that move or not.  I don't like Dunn as any sort of an option, short, mid or long term.

If the FO just wants to fill some seats this year, throw some cash at Manny for two years who said before he doesn't care about winning titles anymore.  He just wants money.  He would sell tickets and move Willingham to 1b.  He's the best hitter in baseball and probably will be for the next year, maybe two.  He's a bit of a liability in the field but not as big of one as everyone makes him out to be.  He'd be pure entertainment for 150 games a year.  Then we could let him go and get his massive ego out of the clubhouse.

Abreu is a billion times better than Manny for OUR needs. We need a lefty and a guy who can play infield. I think DPM's suggestion of Abreu was inspired.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #232 on: December 24, 2008, 02:56:25 pm »
Bobby Abreu eh?  think he's a better option than Dunn at 1B?  i've never heard of him playing 1B.

he could at least be productive while keeping 1B warm for Rhinehart I guess.  I wouldn't be opposed to Abreu. 

question though...you think he's a "middle-of-the-order" bat at this point in his career?

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #233 on: December 24, 2008, 02:59:18 pm »
Bobby Abreu eh?  think he's a better option than Dunn at 1B?  i've never heard of him playing 1B.

he could at least be productive while keeping 1B warm for Rhinehart I guess.  I wouldn't be opposed to Abreu. 

question though...you think he's a "middle-of-the-order" bat at this point in his career?

He was a SS so I think he could field better than Dunn, and he hits like NJ. We did the math in another thread. 73 walks last year. He sees a billion pitches. In our lineup, I think he'd see more pitches to hit. Either that or he'd be walked a lot more. Either is OK.

Guaranteed 20 HR's a year on a 3 year deal.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #234 on: December 24, 2008, 03:03:24 pm »
Here's something that should get everyone's blood boiling.

I guess this guy must've been from OH, but a caller on XM-175 just said that he had a problem with "a team like the Nationals" in on the Tex bidding.  He claimed that teams who fail to sign their number one draft pick as well as failing to meet a minimum threshold in terms of wins from the previous season shouldn't be allowed to bid on free agents.  Never once did this guy mention that the Red Sox and/or Yankees WAY overspend and whether or not he believed Tex would make the Orioles better, he just hammered on the Nats and their offers being competitive enough to compete with Boston and New York.

The caller (whose name escapes me) was a self-proclaimed Orioles fan living in Virginia.  Clearly this guy had an agenda.  Luckily Joe Castillano cut this joker off and didn't let him finish.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #235 on: December 24, 2008, 03:04:53 pm »
Bobby Abreu eh?

question though...you think he's a "middle-of-the-order" bat at this point in his career?

Definitely not as big a bat as Man Ram.  Screw Abreu.  Sign Manny and move Willingham to first.

Looks like D-Lowe to the Mets is imminent so let's look at who's left after that.

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« Reply #236 on: December 24, 2008, 03:05:28 pm »
Here's something that should get everyone's blood boiling.

I guess this guy must've been from OH, but a caller on XM-175 just said that he had a problem with "a team like the Nationals" in on the Tex bidding.  He claimed that teams who fail to sign their number one draft pick as well as failing to meet a minimum threshold in terms of wins from the previous season shouldn't be allowed to bid on free agents.  Never once did this guy mention that the Red Sox and/or Yankees WAY overspend and whether or not he believed Tex would make the Orioles better, he just hammered on the Nats and their offers being competitive enough to compete with Boston and New York.

The caller (whose name escapes me) was a self-proclaimed Orioles fan living in Virginia.  Clearly this guy had an agenda.  Luckily Joe Castillano cut this joker off and didn't let him finish.

Orcs with Lightsabers.

(in other words, this guy's opinion is irrelevant, so the only viable response is simply the most random thing you can think of)

Offline PANatsFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #237 on: December 24, 2008, 03:11:01 pm »
Definitely not as big a bat as Man Ram.  Screw Abreu.  Sign Manny and move Willingham to first.

Looks like D-Lowe to the Mets is imminent so let's look at who's left after that.

Are you gonna teach Manny to hit lefty?

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #238 on: December 24, 2008, 03:20:19 pm »
Here's something that should get everyone's blood boiling.

I guess this guy must've been from OH, but a caller on XM-175 just said that he had a problem with "a team like the Nationals" in on the Tex bidding.  He claimed that teams who fail to sign their number one draft pick as well as failing to meet a minimum threshold in terms of wins from the previous season shouldn't be allowed to bid on free agents.  Never once did this guy mention that the Red Sox and/or Yankees WAY overspend and whether or not he believed Tex would make the Orioles better, he just hammered on the Nats and their offers being competitive enough to compete with Boston and New York.

The caller (whose name escapes me) was a self-proclaimed Orioles fan living in Virginia.  Clearly this guy had an agenda.  Luckily Joe Castillano cut this joker off and didn't let him finish.

That doesn't anger me. It makes me laugh at the stupidity of some people, especially birds fans (hammondsnats is OK though).

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #239 on: December 24, 2008, 03:21:17 pm »
Orioles fans are idiots.  I don't even read OH anymore because it's all egos and losers.  My other brother gives me, cmdterps and my parents a hard time for being a Nats fan, then I just bring up the last 12 years and how pathetic of a franchise they are (even more so than ours, I know surprising).  And the 30-3 loss is still fresh in all of our minds.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #240 on: December 24, 2008, 03:26:41 pm »

Oh yeah, Church is a stud ... sorry.   :worship:

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #241 on: December 24, 2008, 03:26:48 pm »


You've made yourself a target for making this statement.    :rofl:

 

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #242 on: December 24, 2008, 03:31:12 pm »
Oh yeah, Church is a stud ... sorry.   :worship:

damn right bow down haha.  he's not the best outfielder, but he is still better than kearns/wmp.  but i'm happy with the starters we have out there.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #243 on: December 24, 2008, 03:43:22 pm »
Bobby Abreu eh?  think he's a better option than Dunn at 1B?  i've never heard of him playing 1B.

he could at least be productive while keeping 1B warm for Rhinehart I guess.  I wouldn't be opposed to Abreu. 

question though...you think he's a "middle-of-the-order" bat at this point in his career?
He's never played 1b at the MLB level as far as I can tell, but he's a better outfielder than Dunn and it's really not that close.  I don't know if he could or would make the move but I think he could be servicable there, more so than Dunn would.  He's shown already he's a better OF than Dunn.  For our lineup for a couple of years he could be a middle of the order hitter.  He's 35 and has some mileage left and has never been hurt in his career.

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« Reply #244 on: December 24, 2008, 03:43:59 pm »
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Maybe..just maybe...we'd be better off in the long run by giving 1B to Bill Rhinehart, and trading from our outfield depth for pitching.....

A couple of thoughts:

The Nationals have both long-term and short-term needs. "The Plan," in its various incarnations, meets the long-term needs and signing someone like Abreu, Hudson or even Dunn, doesn't seem to fit with the long-term needs of the club. But the short-term need, avoiding the fiasco that was 2008, is every bit as critical as the long-term one. They simply cannot take a chance that 2009 will resemble 2008, not just in the sense of losing 102 games but in the lifeless, futile, offense-less baseball that gave fans little to cheer about.

Bill Rhinehart is a 24-year-old who hit .233/.321/.397 in AA. There is no reason to think that he would be anything different at the MLB level. Playing him at 1B would be an insult to the fans who chose to give the Nats a chance after 2008. If you are going to do that, bring back Aaron Boone.

Fortunately, I think that the owners know this -- I think they get that something has to be done in the short term while we await the long-term. The team has to be competitive even if that means signing some players who don't figure in the long-term plans.

The help we need is at the plate. (I think that our starting rotation, with a little health and luck, will surprise people.) If that means over-paying a bit for a Dunn or even an Abreu, so be it. It's better than over-paying for a starting pitcher.

One last note: the Lerners should get on their knees and pray that some other "can't miss" prospect emerges between now and June. Strasburg gives me the heebie-jeebies. It's not only or even principally that Boras is his agent. It's that I'm opposed on principle to selecting pitchers that high. They are far less likely to pan out than comparable hitting prospects.

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #245 on: December 24, 2008, 03:44:32 pm »
He's never played 1b at the MLB level as far as I can tell, but he's a better outfielder than Dunn and it's really not that close.  I don't know if he could or would make the move but I think he could be servicable there, more so than Dunn would.  He's shown already he's a better OF than Dunn.  For our lineup for a couple of years he could be a middle of the order hitter.  He's 35 and has some mileage left and has never been hurt in his career.

Or hell, make Willingham move to first, put Milledge in LF, Dukes in CF, and Abreu in Right. That will make AZ drool all over himself.

Offline zoom

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #246 on: December 24, 2008, 03:58:02 pm »
i'd prefer abreu and sheets for 2 years each.  These are stop gap signings as our prospects continue to develop. 

however, signing manny to a 2 year deal might yield good returns if a team is looking to make a move at the deadline.   

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #247 on: December 24, 2008, 03:58:20 pm »
They need to use that money to go after Dunn, Hudson, and Sheets :lol:

Hey, thatd be all great acquisitions after losing out on tex! I mean a potential ace, a great lead-off second baseman, and a power lefty, who can probably play first, every thing we need.!

Offline hammondsnats

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« Reply #248 on: December 24, 2008, 04:23:28 pm »
Players whose names may pop up in the coming weeks/already have:

Adam Dunn
Manny Ramirez
Orlando Hudson
Jason Giambi
Bobby Abreu
Milton Bradley

Any others you can think of?

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« Reply #249 on: December 24, 2008, 04:59:12 pm »
Or hell, make Willingham move to first, put Milledge in LF, Dukes in CF, and Abreu in Right.
That would be fine too.