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Offline mitlen

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2019 Cy Young Watch
« on: July 23, 2019, 11:05:30 pm »
Not trying to jinx anybody but we have two quality candidates to date in 2019.     Figured I'd start a thread so we can put it all in one place.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young watch
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2019, 11:07:18 pm »
I know Anibal Sanchez has won 6 decisions in a row, but cool your jets.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young watch
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 11:08:42 pm »
Quote from: Smithian on July 23, 2019, 11:07:18 pm
I know Anibal Sanchez has won 6 decisions in a row, but cool your jets.

Spare me with the admonitions.    It's too late in the evening.    Be nice to the elderly or you'll be reported to AARP.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young watch
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2019, 11:16:22 pm »
Ryu is running away with it so far.

ESPN Cy Young tracker has Doolittle as 3rd in the NL.

Their formula gives 12 bonus points for winning the division.  So according to that algorithm, if we overtake the Braves, we have 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the NL.   Ryu still is going to be tough to beat if he stays healthy.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2019, 11:26:10 pm »
Quote from: nfotiu on July 23, 2019, 11:16:22 pm
Ryu is running away with it so far.

ESPN Cy Young tracker has Doolittle as 3rd in the NL.

Their formula gives 12 bonus points for winning the division.  So according to that algorithm, if we overtake the Braves, we have 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the NL.   Ryu still is going to be tough to beat if he stays healthy.

One of the reasons for starting this thread is some of us aren't payin' attention to the rest of the league.    I wanna get some names in the mix so those of us who are primarily Nats' fans can keep an eye out.     Appreciate the input.

I've added the site you mentioned:

http://www.espn.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

Noticed in 2018 that deGrom was projected as 5th but he won the Cy Young.    I guess they can't account for the bias of the voters.     :couch:


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Re: 2019 Cy Young watch
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2019, 08:34:56 am »
Stras moved up to 2nd and Doo slipped to 4th.      I wouldn't have guessed Doolittle that high up on the list.

As of 7/24:

http://www.espn.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2019, 08:47:31 am »
That counter should be eliminated - it doesn't reflect current voting at all. Saves and Wins are heavily weighted and don't matter anymore at all. My guess is Max wins if Ryu's ERA regresses, otherwise its Ryu.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2019, 08:48:58 am »
Quote from: NJ Ave on July 24, 2019, 08:47:31 am
That counter should be eliminated - it doesn't reflect current voting at all. Saves and Wins are heavily weighted and don't matter anymore at all. My guess is Max wins if Ryu's ERA regresses, otherwise its Ryu.

Is Ryu scheduled this weekend?
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2019, 08:56:03 am »
Quote from: NJ Ave on July 24, 2019, 08:47:31 am
That counter should be eliminated - it doesn't reflect current voting at all. Saves and Wins are heavily weighted and don't matter anymore at all. My guess is Max wins if Ryu's ERA regresses, otherwise its Ryu.
I think wins still matter to some extent.  deGrom was just so much better in every other measurement, that they overlooked his 10-9 record and he plays in NY.  Still, if the Nats won the division last year, I bet he would have won.

I'm sure Doolittle's wins don't count for much, but only 2 of them were cheap blown save wins.  I don't think Doolittle gets any serious consideration, but with 7 4-5 out appearances without allowing an earned run, he's been one of our most valuable players this year.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2019, 09:04:09 am »
Quote from: mitlen on July 24, 2019, 08:48:58 am
Is Ryu scheduled this weekend?
Friday vs Sanchez it looks like.   That's going to be a tough series to win with Ryu vs Sanchez, Ross vs Kershaw, and Strasburg vs Buehler.   I hope we win one game!
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2019, 09:36:54 am »
Sanchez may pitch well but needs offensive help he likely won't get


Ross.....just call in a loss and give the players a day off.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2019, 01:13:29 pm »
Quote from: LoveAngelos on July 25, 2019, 09:36:54 am
Sanchez may pitch well but needs offensive help he likely won't get


Ross.....just call in a loss and give the players a day off.

I don't think Ross or Sanchez will be Cy Young finalists.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2019, 02:01:23 pm »
could post this in the trade deadline thread, but Boz says that among Voth, Fedde, and Ross, there may actually be a market among teams with relievers looking for rotation help.  Fedde had a short but good start in his last pre-deadline effort yesterday. It's important that Ross has a decent start Saturday. 
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2019, 02:02:13 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 25, 2019, 02:01:23 pm
could post this in the trade deadline thread, but Boz says that among Voth, Fedde, and Ross, there may actually be a market among teams with relievers looking for rotation help.  Fedde had a short but good start in his last pre-deadline effort yesterday. It's important that Ross has a decent start Saturday. 

None of them are in the Cy Young watch either.

Here's today predictor from ESPN:

http://www.espn.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

Eliminate the 12 point VB (Victory Bonus) for Ryu and Stras is right there.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2019, 02:03:38 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 25, 2019, 02:01:23 pm
could post this in the trade deadline thread, but Boz says that among Voth, Fedde, and Ross, there may actually be a market among teams with relievers looking for rotation help.  Fedde had a short but good start in his last pre-deadline effort yesterday. It's important that Ross has a decent start Saturday. 

That's a really good point. Fedde, Voth & Ross are good options for rebuilding teams to throw into their rotations and see what they can get. Hello, San Diego!
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2019, 02:05:47 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on July 25, 2019, 02:03:38 pm
That's a really good point. Fedde, Voth & Ross are good options for rebuilding teams to throw into their rotations and see what they can get. Hello, San Diego!

None of them are on the Cy Young Watch   ...   focus grasshoppers.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2019, 02:13:18 pm »
Quote from: UMDNats on July 25, 2019, 02:03:38 pm
That's a really good point. Fedde, Voth & Ross are good options for rebuilding teams to throw into their rotations and see what they can get. Hello, San Diego!
he was talking about Dyson as a target.  He thinks Greene is fools gold, Diekman is not better than what we have, and virtually everyone either more expensive in $$ or prospects than the Nats can get, including Yates and Felipe Vazquez.  I wonder if Giles might be a target for starting pitching, especially if Stroman is dealt to the Yanks.  Potential for a 3-way.  Which reminds me, hoping Cope is doing well.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2019, 02:15:47 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 25, 2019, 02:13:18 pm
he was talking about Dyson as a target.  He thinks Greene is fools gold, Diekman is not better than what we have, and virtually everyone either more expensive in $$ or prospects than the Nats can get, including Yates and Felipe Vazquez.  I wonder if Giles might be a target for starting pitching, especially if Stroman is dealt to the Yanks.  Potential for a 3-way.  Which reminds me, hoping Cope is doing well.

C'mon man.   Moderate like you do everyone else.   :couch:
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2019, 02:22:10 pm »
Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 25, 2019, 02:13:18 pm
he was talking about Dyson as a target.  He thinks Greene is fools gold, Diekman is not better than what we have, and virtually everyone either more expensive in $$ or prospects than the Nats can get, including Yates and Felipe Vazquez.  I wonder if Giles might be a target for starting pitching, especially if Stroman is dealt to the Yanks.  Potential for a 3-way.  Which reminds me, hoping Cope is doing well.

:lmao:

Speaking of Voth, just saw breaking that he had an MRI that revealed shoulder tendinitis and he's shut down for now. Which makes it more risky to trade one of Ross/Fedde, but Voth was the guy of the three I didn't want to move anyways.
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Re: 2019 Cy Young Watch
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2019, 03:13:53 pm »
Quote from: mitlen on July 25, 2019, 02:15:47 pm
C'mon man.   Moderate like you do everyone else.   :couch:
I honestly forgot what he changed his name to and didn't want to look it up for a quick post. Corrected.
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